CT5-V Manual 25 Blackwing no blindspot monitoring. Why

[ajamils]

Talk to Dustin at Sewell. I got mine from him and he’s the hardest working guy at their dealership - maybe at ANY dealership. Paging @1StunnaV

Dustin is great guy. I've ordered two vehicles from him but unfortunately both times wasn't able to get them. I couldn't get the first one due to getting laid off just before it was supposed to get shipped (after waiting for almost a year) and second time was the special edition CT4-BW, which I got tired for waiting and bought Hellrango instead.

This is unreal.

Nobody has come closer to owning a CT5-V Blackwing than you, and you have done so twice now!! (you should have taken the electric blue one you ordered!).

Yes, in all, this was my 4th BW. One of the original 250, CT4-BW and now CT5-BW for whole 4 days (which includes 2 days of it being at the dealer)

Yes, still love the Electric blue color. Good thing is that if I order now, I have freedom to choose..... or maybe fate is telling me to wait for next TRX

 

[oz2435]

Glad I stuck with my decision to buy a '24 manual instead of a '25.

 

[Finally-a-V]

They are letting you walk for 300 bucks? WOW!!! I guess this is really why people hate dealerships. You'd think they'd work something out with you, and screw, I mean, mark up the next car.

 

[Todd]

Lawsuit territory? So you would sue GM for not including a feature you wanted on your car, that they included the year after, which somehow de-values your car? WOW. I am not a legal / lawsuit guy and clearly don't get it. I believe GM should be able to equip cars however they please, and people have the choice to buy them or not buy them. Feature sets can change at any time. Lately, it seems prices go up and included features go down every year. Maybe MSRP will also increase next year with the inclusion of the volume knob, and then I would think your devaluation case is harder to prove? I really am asking out of curiosity. I have never heard of anything like this before.

Precedent is the exotic car market. One example is where an OE states they will produce X amount of cars in the model run, but then they produce more than stated. Claimed value depreciation due to higher than stated supply has resulted in actual suits.

Like I said: verging on lawsuit territory.

If you were in the market for a used 5BW in the future and could get the same car with the blind spot feature, all other specs being equal, which would you go for?

Brands that see through the customers' eyes and work to ensure loyalty don't take these things for granted, especially with higher end car buyers.

 

[668LT4]

Precedent is the exotic car market. One example is where an OE states they will produce X amount of cars in the model run, but then they produce more than stated. Claimed value depreciation due to higher than stated supply has resulted in actual suits.

Like I said: verging on lawsuit territory.

If you were in the market for a used 5BW in the future and could get the same car with the blind spot feature, all other specs being equal, which would you go for?

Brands that see through the customers' eyes and work to ensure loyalty don't take these things for granted, especially with higher end car buyers.

Cadillac is not an "exotic" and makes no claims or guarantees on production. "Blackwing" is a legend on this website, and I'll be the first to admit I buy in to it lock, stock, and barrel. I believe I have stated the 2022-2024 CT5-V Blackwing 6MT is better than sliced bread (and I really love a good sandwich). But the LT4 has been around for a long time, used in many cars. Outside of us guys who "get" what the machine is, nobody really cares.

I guess "verging" = there is no possible lawsuit here. You know exactly what the car has when you buy it, and with any car purchase, equipment / colors / pricing are always subject to change, especially for the next model year. Cadillac adding these little features will not drastically affect your value. Besides, they will probably add a good bit to MSRP, so right there the entire claim is out the window. You car cost less, is worth less, and has less features.

As for what I would choose, of course the one with more features, if the price is identical. But that will not be the case here. We won't see an identical 25 and 26 on the lot, all options the same, at the exact cost. And even if so, the 25 is worth a lot less as it is already a year old. But certainly, anyone would choose the better equipped car if the numbers were identical.

As for Cadillac / GM seeing through their customer's eyes... maybe this is your first GM. That is not the brand you are buying here. We should remain grateful for the manual transmission, that is the best we will ever get from them in this regard.

PS, my 2024 has the BSM, and I never use it / look at it. It had 0 bearing on my buying the car.

 

[T.O.Blackwing]

Here is the rub.... my loaner which costs exactly half of my BW, has blind side monitoring and heated mirrors

... and a $500 30 year old winter beater will have a volume dial that the front passenger can use...

 

[Todd]

Cadillac is not an "exotic" and makes no claims or guarantees on production. "Blackwing" is a legend on this website, and I'll be the first to admit I buy in to it lock, stock, and barrel. I believe I have stated the 2022-2024 CT5-V Blackwing 6MT is better than sliced bread (and I really love a good sandwich). But the LT4 has been around for a long time, used in many cars. Outside of us guys who "get" what the machine is, nobody really cares.

I guess "verging" = there is no possible lawsuit here. You know exactly what the car has when you buy it, and with any car purchase, equipment / colors / pricing are always subject to change, especially for the next model year. Cadillac adding these little features will not drastically affect your value. Besides, they will probably add a good bit to MSRP, so right there the entire claim is out the window. You car cost less, is worth less, and has less features.

As for what I would choose, of course the one with more features, if the price is identical. But that will not be the case here. We won't see an identical 25 and 26 on the lot, all options the same, at the exact cost. And even if so, the 25 is worth a lot less as it is already a year old. But certainly, anyone would choose the better equipped car if the numbers were identical.

As for Cadillac / GM seeing through their customer's eyes... maybe this is your first GM. That is not the brand you are buying here. We should remain grateful for the manual transmission, that is the best we will ever get from them in this regard.

PS, my 2024 has the BSM, and I never use it / look at it. It had 0 bearing on my buying the car.

Exactly, I wrote verging, not “we should sue!”

This is more of a comment on what triggers civil suits: those who see the opportunity and have the means to pursue it.

Equating Caddy with lawsuit precedent in the exotic markets Is because of the financial means of the typical owners.

You may be correct that GM, Caddy or not, isn’t “premium”, and I’m slowly learning that. Other premium brands care deeply about customer loyalty.

 

[Todd]

(and not to belabor this bitchfest much longer, but the main reason this pisses me off is that they had this feature for the prior iteration of the car, got rid of it for the first year of the facelift… and then brought it back!

This wasn’t a case of a new software architecture or some sort of redesign decontening apparently.

It seems like it just wasn’t something that important for the factory to solve, regardless of the real convenience it provides to the customer, as evidenced by this thread.

I can easily see people in the future when commenting on the historical run of this car saying to avoid the 2025 model year because of the missing features, just as they do with other cars.)

 

[TruckeeTaurus]

I am actually pretty pissed that they removed it for 2025 but are bringing it back for 2026. That's verging on lawsuit territory when an OE randomly decontents a model year, which could lead to devaluation.

I'm hoping the base integration hardware is there, and this may just be a mirror guts swap and recode when the 2026 MY comes out and people dig into them.

PSA: side view mirrors are there to provide just that, a side view. After years of being a driving instructor, I've found the far majority of drivers adjust their side view mirrors towards the rear of the vehicle (that's what your internal rear view mirror is for).

With the side view mirrors fully adjusted outwards on my 5BW, there is a tiny remaining blind spot on the driver side, but none on the passenger side.

Exactly man. Adjust the side mirrors appropriately and look over the shoulder and everything will be fine. Like what the hell did we all do 15-20 years ago when the indicators weren’t prevalent? We drove safely using mirrors and skill.

 

[rubberduck]

In a couple months I’ll be coming up on 3 years of driving my 5BW. Not enthralled with the facelift or the dash (or the price). If I was buying I’d go for a used 22-24.

 

[rubberduck]

Exactly man. Adjust the side mirrors appropriately and look over the shoulder and everything will be fine. Like what the hell did we all do 15-20 years ago when the indicators weren’t prevalent? We drove safely using mirrors and skill.

I lived a good part of my life without a cell phone either. Somehow everything worked out fine.

 

[seattlecubes]

Cadillac is not an "exotic" and makes no claims or guarantees on production. "Blackwing" is a legend on this website, and I'll be the first to admit I buy in to it lock, stock, and barrel. I believe I have stated the 2022-2024 CT5-V Blackwing 6MT is better than sliced bread (and I really love a good sandwich). But the LT4 has been around for a long time, used in many cars. Outside of us guys who "get" what the machine is, nobody really cares.

I guess "verging" = there is no possible lawsuit here. You know exactly what the car has when you buy it, and with any car purchase, equipment / colors / pricing are always subject to change, especially for the next model year. Cadillac adding these little features will not drastically affect your value. Besides, they will probably add a good bit to MSRP, so right there the entire claim is out the window. You car cost less, is worth less, and has less features.

As for what I would choose, of course the one with more features, if the price is identical. But that will not be the case here. We won't see an identical 25 and 26 on the lot, all options the same, at the exact cost. And even if so, the 25 is worth a lot less as it is already a year old. But certainly, anyone would choose the better equipped car if the numbers were identical.

As for Cadillac / GM seeing through their customer's eyes... maybe this is your first GM. That is not the brand you are buying here. We should remain grateful for the manual transmission, that is the

(and not to belabor this bitchfest much longer, but the main reason this pisses me off is that they had this feature for the prior iteration of the car, got rid of it for the first year of the facelift… and then brought it back!

This wasn’t a case of a new software architecture or some sort of redesign decontening apparently.

It seems like it just wasn’t something that important for the factory to solve, regardless of the real convenience it provides to the customer, as evidenced by this thread.

I can easily see people in the future when commenting on the historical run of this car saying to avoid the 2025 model year because of the missing features, just as they do with other cars.)

Just coming from two previous Cadillacs with blind spot monitoring, it’s really not that great TBH. The seat vibrates (if you’re paying attention) and the little orange light that is sometimes visible/ sometimes isn’t flashes. I could see if the 2025 cars were missing 50 hp or something else mechanical, but this hardly makes or breaks them.

 

[668LT4]

(and not to belabor this bitchfest much longer, but the main reason this pisses me off is that they had this feature for the prior iteration of the car, got rid of it for the first year of the facelift… and then brought it back!

This wasn’t a case of a new software architecture or some sort of redesign decontening apparently.

It seems like it just wasn’t something that important for the factory to solve, regardless of the real convenience it provides to the customer, as evidenced by this thread.

I can easily see people in the future when commenting on the historical run of this car saying to avoid the 2025 model year because of the missing features, just as they do with other cars.)

I get the frustration. Who knows what might happen with MSRP if the auto tariffs carry forward. I saw something that Ford might start raising prices as soon as June.

The weird part here is your manual likely has the wiring and components to include the feature. So why not put it on. Seems like much more work to have it on 24, drop it on 25, and add it on 26.

 

[Finally-a-V]

I can easily see people in the future when commenting on the historical run of this car saying to avoid the 2025 model year because of the missing features, just as they do with other cars.)

This is already my thought. Pass on a 2025. Buy a 2022-2024 or jump to 2026. Not that I'm planning on buying anything.

 

[AdamUCF]

No one in the future will care about missing blind spot assistance.

 

[nordique14]

"In 2025, a motorized carriage will be unable to see what is to the left nor to the right unlike those that cometh before and after."

I guess it's true when they say that only in hindsight do Nostradamus' predictions make any sense.

 

[T.O.Blackwing]

No one in the future will care about missing blind spot assistance.

If they care about their front seat passenger (i.e., their spouse) they’ll care about the lack of a real volume control (i.e., besides the steering wheel).
Heck, I’m usually in the car alone and mostly prefer the dial over the steering wheel control even then.
There’s also the matter of which front fascia and dash is preferred.
I’ll stop there because it’s a matter of taste and I’m biased.

 

[AdamUCF]

If they care about their front seat passenger (i.e., their spouse) they’ll care about the lack of a real volume control (i.e., besides the steering wheel).
Heck, I’m usually in the car alone and mostly prefer the dial over the steering wheel control even then.
There’s also the matter of which front fascia and dash is preferred.
I’ll stop there because it’s a matter of taste and I’m biased.

I don't think the center volume knob is coming back for 26? Did I miss something?

 

[ajamils]

I don't think the center volume knob is coming back for 26? Did I miss something?

It is not. Having seen the interior with manual, I don't see where they can put it, without ruining the design.

 

[T.O.Blackwing]

It is not. Having seen the interior with manual, I don't see where they can put it, without ruining the design.

If they could add a volume control to the other controls that are already in the touchscreen, that would help.