Precision Package Owners - How is it?

[leres]

Unless your order is attached to a dealer allocation, your order most likely won’t be picked up by GM. It will just sit there in the system.

And unless *all* the options you want are available when an allocation pops up, you won’t be able to take advantage of that allocation.

You can’t take advantage of an allocation and add options later if they come off constraint.

Some points I've picked up:

• Order status is key: at 1100 you're just an "order in the system" waiting for an allocation.
• I believe constraints apply to specific allocations (so dealers know if advance if a specific allocation will "work" with a specific order)
• dealers lose any allocations they don't use (which impacts future allocations) so they tend to use 100% of them on orders without options on constraint (either for a customer or for their inventory)
• at 2000, an allocation (without any options in the order on constraint) was used and there is a small window where options can be changed (I think I saw that this ends at 9pm ET)
• at 3000, options cannot be changed

 

[Chef5VBW_v8v]

Thank you.

As a very longtime user of configuration tools on manufacturer web sites, I know very well they are often incorrect. I was just wanting to learn the backchannel information since I’m not a highly experienced GM guy.

With all this being said, do you have actual knowledge about this from dealer experience or seeing this done? There’s always the possibility that the web site/order guide you’ve referenced is inaccurate, no? Not second guessing you here, but wanting to know if you know whether this has actually been done. I’ve seen many an order guide publish incorrect information.

Ya, basically like others have said, ordering one the way you want it isn’t gonna get you the car sadly. Your best bet is to find one already allocated to the dealer with all the options you want. Put a deposit down on a vehicle that already has a vin or is almost getting produced. High volume dealers like Delaware Cadillac are the only ones that get allocations for fully decked cars and those all end up going to dealer spec, not customer orders. Don’t ask me why it works that way, but it just does. You need to shop nationwide and find a dealer that has a car closest to what you’re looking for and who’s willing to negotiate if you aren’t willing to just pay their asking price.

 

[ngoni]

Before you give up on a custom order, talk to Sewell Cadillac. They get tons of allocations.

 

[Todd]

High volume dealers like Delaware Cadillac are the only ones that get allocations for fully decked cars and those all end up going to dealer spec, not customer orders.

FYI last time I checked, they were still banging out buyers for $10k over MSRP for CF1 and $15k over for CF2 5BWs…

 

[ngoni]

FYI last time I checked, they were still banging out buyers for $10k over MSRP for CF1 and $15k over for CF2 5BWs…

Yeah they really lean into the idea behind the allocation system - dealers first, dealers always, customers last. You'll buy what they have on the lot or be punished and pay a steep premium to get one to your spec.

I gather Sewell is not like that.

 

[Chef5VBW_v8v]

FYI last time I checked, they were still banging out buyers for $10k over MSRP for CF1 and $15k over for CF2 5BWs…

Yep. I’m paying 10k adm for a fully CF car. They wanted 15 over but was able to slash 5k off. If the car continues to be delayed, I’ll ask for more off and or an extended warranty. Delaware Cadillac currently has 9 5BWs in transit or in stock. Most have CF 1/2. I think it’s safe to say that if you want a fully optioned 5 BW, especially new colors / CF 1/2, you have to go to either Delaware Caddy or Sewell. The only fully decked cars I’ve seen going to smaller dealers are customers cars that ordered forever ago and backed out. The adm is the premium you’re paying to get all the options / new colors. It makes sense honestly. They make around 1000 of these a year. Deep space metallic 6 speeds with all CF? Maybe like 100 of em or probably even less. If you want a badass whip from the factory, you pay the premium. Porsches are 20-40% over msrp. Look at gt3 rs’. $250,000 car goes for no less than $450,000 new. Probably more after these tariffs. At least we get the tax break on the interest.

 

[Chef5VBW_v8v]

Yeah they really lean into the idea behind the allocation system - dealers first, dealers always, customers last. You'll buy what they have on the lot or be punished and pay a steep premium to get one to your spec.

I gather Sewell is not like that.

Ngoni, where did you find the number for you car that got produced? Congrats that it got built by the way. Now the real wait begins for u lmao. Saw in ur signature you have the (41-097) are all 25s 41 as the first number?

 

[Todd]

Yep. I’m paying 10k adm for a fully CF car. They wanted 15 over but was able to slash 5k off. If the car continues to be delayed, I’ll ask for more off and or an extended warranty. Delaware Cadillac currently has 9 5BWs in transit or in stock. Most have CF 1/2. I think it’s safe to say that if you want a fully optioned 5 BW, especially new colors / CF 1/2, you have to go to either Delaware Caddy or Sewell. The only fully decked cars I’ve seen going to smaller dealers are customers cars that ordered forever ago and backed out. The adm is the premium you’re paying to get all the options / new colors. It makes sense honestly. They make around 1000 of these a year. Deep space metallic 6 speeds with all CF? Maybe like 100 of em or probably even less. If you want a badass whip from the factory, you pay the premium. Porsches are 20-40% over msrp. Look at gt3 rs’. $250,000 car goes for no less than $450,000 new. Probably more after these tariffs. At least we get the tax break on the interest.

I hit about a dozen local caddy dealers and scored a South Jersey allocation in December for a CF2 in Drift Metallic, 6 speed. My build, not someone else’s. At MSRP.

Arrives next week.

So unicorns do exist in the goat rodeo.

 

[5VBW Nick]

Yep. I’m paying 10k adm for a fully CF car. They wanted 15 over but was able to slash 5k off. If the car continues to be delayed, I’ll ask for more off and or an extended warranty. Delaware Cadillac currently has 9 5BWs in transit or in stock. Most have CF 1/2. I think it’s safe to say that if you want a fully optioned 5 BW, especially new colors / CF 1/2, you have to go to either Delaware Caddy or Sewell. The only fully decked cars I’ve seen going to smaller dealers are customers cars that ordered forever ago and backed out. The adm is the premium you’re paying to get all the options / new colors. It makes sense honestly. They make around 1000 of these a year. Deep space metallic 6 speeds with all CF? Maybe like 100 of em or probably even less. If you want a badass whip from the factory, you pay the premium. Porsches are 20-40% over msrp. Look at gt3 rs’. $250,000 car goes for no less than $450,000 new. Probably more after these tariffs. At least we get the tax break on the interest.

Damn, I got my full CF car for $6k off msrp

 

[fordperfaddict]

what is average wait time? does it vary widely amongst everyone? some guys wait 14 months and some can get it in 3-4 months?

 

[TheShark]

Ngoni, where did you find the number for you car that got produced? Congrats that it got built by the way. Now the real wait begins for u lmao. Saw in ur signature you have the (41-097) are all 25s 41 as the first number?

the 2 digit prefix is not related to the year, but the transmission. 41 auto 4, 46 manual 4, 81 auto 5, 86 manual 5. Some of the special editions used a different set

 

[Exia]

what is average wait time? does it vary widely amongst everyone? some guys wait 14 months and some can get it in 3-4 months?

Completely depends on the dealer and the allocation. A high volume dealer with nobody waiting will see you get a car much quicker than a dealer who gets one a year and has 2 people in line. Hard to do an average.

Do some homework, find a dealer who receives at least 1 a year and doesn't have anyone in line and place an order.

Or just use Sewell. I don't know why anyone would be paying ADM in todays market, if you want a high volume dealer use Sewell otherwise try and find a more local dealer who has nobody in line and confirm they can get them if you don't want to buy out of state.

 

[Exia]

Yep. I’m paying 10k adm for a fully CF car. They wanted 15 over but was able to slash 5k off. If the car continues to be delayed, I’ll ask for more off and or an extended warranty. Delaware Cadillac currently has 9 5BWs in transit or in stock. Most have CF 1/2. I think it’s safe to say that if you want a fully optioned 5 BW, especially new colors / CF 1/2, you have to go to either Delaware Caddy or Sewell. The only fully decked cars I’ve seen going to smaller dealers are customers cars that ordered forever ago and backed out. The adm is the premium you’re paying to get all the options / new colors. It makes sense honestly. They make around 1000 of these a year. Deep space metallic 6 speeds with all CF? Maybe like 100 of em or probably even less. If you want a badass whip from the factory, you pay the premium. Porsches are 20-40% over msrp. Look at gt3 rs’. $250,000 car goes for no less than $450,000 new. Probably more after these tariffs. At least we get the tax break on the interest.

I would not pay an ADM in this market, you can get carbon cars that aren't from high volume dealers. You can also get MSRP from other volume dealers with carbon.

Only very specific Porsche's sell with ADM, namely GT cars. A Blackwing is not a GT3 RS. Its a cool car but it absolutely is not comparable.

Its like comparing the Blackwing to a Civic Type R just because the Civic is built in such low volume and dealers also ask for ADM.

ADM's exist because the market will pay them. There is no reason to pay an ADM on a Blackwing, the market isn't there.

Your money though so hopefully you don't plan on getting rid of the car because that 10k will be gone the moment you drive it off the lot.

 

[beamon]

Agree. I ordered a loaded up 24 blackwing at msrp with cf1/cf2, carbon seats, ceramic brakes, manual, etc from an out of state higher volume Michigan dealer…order in system 6/23, allocation assigned in 7/23, delivered 12/23. It can happen quickly. My previous order for a 2023 model never received an allocation so I put in a new order for a 2024 model and it worked out…a little patience and remembering to re-enter order in system with new model year.

 

[Chef5VBW_v8v]

Damn, I got my full CF car for $6k off msrp

Yours isn’t a 25.

 

[5VBW Nick]

Correct, still same availability among dealers. Autotrader is loaded with '25's. ADM of any kind is just a rip-off unless it's a super rare, sought after car.

 

[ngoni]

Ngoni, where did you find the number for you car that got produced? Congrats that it got built by the way. Now the real wait begins for u lmao. Saw in ur signature you have the (41-097) are all 25s 41 as the first number?

Your dealer should give you the VIN when you hit 3800. You may also ask the Cadillac chat bot to connect you to an agent and ask them.

 

[Chef5VBW_v8v]

Inclrrect

I would not pay an ADM in this market, you can get carbon cars that aren't from high volume dealers. You can also get MSRP from other volume dealers with carbon.

Only very specific Porsche's sell with ADM, namely GT cars. A Blackwing is not a GT3 RS. Its a cool car but it absolutely is not comparable.

Its like comparing the Blackwing to a Civic Type R just because the Civic is built in such low volume and dealers also ask for ADM.

ADM's exist because the market will pay them. There is no reason to pay an ADM on a Blackwing, the market isn't there.

Your money though so hopefully you don't plan on getting rid of the car because that 10k will be gone the moment you drive it off the lot.

incorrect. Almost every Porsche model has at least a 20% markup. Not just gt cars. You guys are horribly misinformed about the performance market. Even the macan averages 21% adm. I don’t understand why the blackwing community is the only performance car community with a customer base that gets their panties in a bunch if their dream car isn’t msrp. That’s why only a handful of yall got exactly what u wanted and everyone else either never got the car or had to settle for an older used one. Yes im well aware 24s have discounts now. I want a 25. And I’ll be one of the first deep space metallic 5 bws with Both cf, pdr, aniline seats with cf backs, precision pack, and 6MT. There will most likely be like 10 cars specd exactly like mine in existence. Sorry, that’s worth paying 10k extra for imo. I got my unicorn and my total wait will be around 2 months or less…. And I’m not even paying a 10% adm.

for dudes masquerading as rich people, yall sure do get tight over 5-10 grand. Yall keep drinking that copium and keep telling yourself you got what you wanted by settling for an outdated / low optioned / used car. My fucking 2018 sti is selling for 34k with 60k miles just cause the performance market is all jacked up right now. This car is no different. You guys really need to pull ur heads out of ur asses thinking you have some sort of entitlement not to pay an adm. it’s kinda pathetic honestly.

These Are the New Cars with the Biggest Markups

On average, these 10 new cars are being advertised for well above their mean MSRP.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[Chef5VBW_v8v]

Your dealer should give you the VIN when you hit 3800. You may also ask the Cadillac chat bot to connect you to an agent and ask them. I’m talking about ur 41-097. Is that in ur vin?

Ya, I have my vin with my build sheet, but I’m talking about the 41-097. Is that in the vin?

 

[ngoni]

Ya, I have my vin with my build sheet, but I’m talking about the 41-097. Is that in the vin?

Yeah it's the last bit of your VIN and what you'll see on your steering wheel.