CT5-V CT5-BW without goat rodeo?

[ajamils]

Has anybody been lucky enough to find an unclaimed 2025 CT5-BW at dealer and been able to buy it without going through the goat rodeo or ADM?

 

[CB34]

There plenty of 5BWs sitting on lots - the issue is finding the options you want.

Many dealers option the cars with Black exterior and CF 1/2 packages and mix between manual and auto. That’s it. Once in a while I find one with EVERY box checked, but those are few and far between as they are $150k+ and most people buying a car that expensive typically won’t walk off the street and do it.

If you want CCB’s, CF backed seats, or the precision pack, you are most likely going to have to order. If you want a color other than black, white or silver, you are most likely going to have to order.

 

[Zephyr5V]

If you want CCB’s, CF backed seats, or the precision pack, you are most likely going to have to order. If you want a color other than black, white or silver, you are most likely going to have to order.

Also if you DON'T want a sunroof...

 

[ajamils]

Looks like I got lucky as I picked up one yesterday with *almost* exact specs that I would have ordered from a local dealer. It was unclaimed and showed up couple days ago. It wasn't even washed.

I say almost because Red Tricoat wouldn't have been by first color (Typhoon or Coastal Blue would be it) choice but it does look amazing with red calipers and red seat belts.

Other than that, I biggest surprise was the inclusion of PDR which most people do not get, specially if it with sunroof.

 

[TruckeeTaurus]

Has anybody been lucky enough to find an unclaimed 2025 CT5-BW at dealer and been able to buy it without going through the goat rodeo or ADM?

I was able to find the exact one I would’ve built out (minus the wheels). It only took me about a year of scavenging. The dealership I bought from actually has two more coming in. The one I got was because the dude that ordered it wanted the sunroof package…. So he ordered a second one after this one was already built.

You can find em. If you’re not picky about color or trim, there’s lots of black, silver, and white ones out there I think.

 

[TruckeeTaurus]

I was able to find the exact one I would’ve built out (minus the wheels). It only took me about a year of scavenging. The dealership I bought from actually has two more coming in. The one I got was because the dude that ordered it wanted the sunroof package…. So he ordered a second one after this one was already built.

You can find em. If you’re not picky about color or trim, there’s lots of black, silver, and white ones out there I think.

The one I found is Typhoon Metallic with tan interior, parking package, bronze calipers, manual transmission with no sunroof. The only thing missing was the bronze wheels… so I’m having some made that come in next month.

 

[ajamils]

The one I found is Typhoon Metallic with tan interior, parking package, bronze calipers, manual transmission with no sunroof. The only thing missing was the bronze wheels… so I’m having some made that come in next month.

That would have been my ideal configuration plus PDR and sunroof

 

[TruckeeTaurus]

pretty sure there’s one like that in Beverly Hills. But you may have to order it, which could then take a long time for you to actually see. I guess it depends on how patient you are. I’ve read horror stories of guys whose order was taken but not filled.

I had thought I wanted the sunroof option too, but after seeing it in person and finding out it decreases the headroom in the back, I decided I didn’t want it. Honestly, I have a sunroof in my other car, and I rarely use it.

 

[T.O.Blackwing]

I had thought I wanted the sunroof option too, but after seeing it in person and finding out it decreases the headroom in the back, I decided I didn’t want it. Honestly, I have a sunroof in my other car, and I rarely use it.

I’m on my second Blackwing.
The first one had a sunroof, the second one, which otherwise is more heavily optioned, does not.
1. From the inside, I always thought the two porthole sunroof looked kind of weird. It is absolutely NOT a panoramic sunroof, which might be worth having. But it’s not.
2. I never miss it. Ok, rarely, to be fair.
3. From the outside, a slick top looks better, at least in my opinion, on any colour other than black (my ‘22 was Black, my ‘24 is red).
4.I suspect a slick top will be worth either as much or more than a Blackwing with a sunroof, so if it isn’t important to you, you’re just throwing money away.
Them’s my thoughts as an owner of both.

 

[PrimeTime]

I’m on my second Blackwing.
The first one had a sunroof, the second one, which otherwise is more heavily optioned, does not.
1. From the inside, I always thought the two porthole sunroof looked kind of weird. It is absolutely NOT a panoramic sunroof, which might be worth having. But it’s not.
2. I never miss it. Ok, rarely, to be fair.
3. From the outside, a slick top looks better, at least in my opinion, on any colour other than black (my ‘22 was Black, my ‘24 is red).
4.I suspect a slick top will be worth either as much or more than a Blackwing with a sunroof, so if it isn’t important to you, you’re just throwing money away.
Them’s my thoughts as an owner of both.

It's obvious the pano roof didn't work for you in Toronto. Your color combo is just right.

That said...How do you figure on bullet #4? Fact or pull from ass fiction? Throwing away $$ in Toronto possibly, and I can see where the weather doesn't favor the option for the most part?

Cali, Florida, Texas and a few places others most of the year may be a plus and a desired option.

Track focus optioned car, I can see why the delete is a better way to go with power to weight considered.

Going off the cliff here that most do not track on a regular basis where the PTW minus pano is a factor?

So, open the pano roof and rip it?

 

[T.O.Blackwing]

It's obvious the pano roof didn't work for you in Toronto. Your color combo is just right.

That said...How do you figure on bullet #4? Fact or pull from ass fiction? Throwing away $$ in Toronto possibly, and I can see where the weather doesn't favor the option for the most part?

Cali, Florida, Texas and a few places others most of the year may be a plus and a desired option.

Track focus optioned car, I can see why the delete is a better way to go with power to weight considered.

Going off the cliff here that most do not track on a regular basis where the PTW minus pano is a factor?

So, open the pano roof and rip it?

Not pulling anything out of my ass.
1. Summers in Toronto are pretty hot but still more pleasant than the sultry, oppressive heat of southern US summers, when I think you are likely to pull the blinds on a sunroof on most days to keep the scorching sun from burning your lap. And most buyers up here put cars like this away in the winter (during which, actually, it IS nice to have more sunlight in the car).
So all that’s either neutral or, in fact, something that might favour getting a sunroof in darker, northern climes, whether one is in the northern US or Canada (note, by the way, that Toronto is further south than a huge chunk of the US, in fact we’re the same latitude here as central Italy).
2. Generally, for all cars, it is questionable whether sunroofs add value to your car. Google this if you don’t want to take my word for it. The fact is they generally don’t pay for themselves. It’s like a used car rule.
3. The above is even more the case for performance cars because far more buyers imagine taking their car to the track than those who actually do so. So there is a quirky demand for slick tops if it’s a performance car because it’s the buyer’s imagination of how they might use a car that sells them on a car, not what their actual real world use will be.
For example, the reality is that I spend about 70 percent of my time in my car in heavy traffic going slower than the speed limit.
Probably not an unusual experience but not the kind of thing any of us imagine when we buy our hero cars. And for most people buying cars, whatever the type, it’s all about our dreams, not reality, when we buy a new car, whatever the type. Like, how many AMG Galendewagens ever go off road? Or to a drag strip? And how many Land Rovers and Range Rovers are actually roving any land or range?
4.I’ll say it again: it’s not really a panoramic roof anyway, so it looks weird from the back seat, and you don’t even know it’s there from the front because it’s mostly behind your head. So you actually rarely miss it, if ever.

 

[TruckeeTaurus]

I’m on my second Blackwing.
The first one had a sunroof, the second one, which otherwise is more heavily optioned, does not.
1. From the inside, I always thought the two porthole sunroof looked kind of weird. It is absolutely NOT a panoramic sunroof, which might be worth having. But it’s not.
2. I never miss it. Ok, rarely, to be fair.
3. From the outside, a slick top looks better, at least in my opinion, on any colour other than black (my ‘22 was Black, my ‘24 is red).
4.I suspect a slick top will be worth either as much or more than a Blackwing with a sunroof, so if it isn’t important to you, you’re just throwing money away.
Them’s my thoughts as an owner of both.

Agreed man. I thought it was panoramic like the Escalade… but it’s just two sunroofs.

Meh

 

[TruckeeTaurus]

Not pulling anything out of my ass.
1. Summers in Toronto are pretty hot but still more pleasant than the sultry, oppressive heat of southern US summers, when I think you are likely to pull the blinds on a sunroof on most days to keep the scorching sun from burning your lap. And most buyers up here put cars like this away in the winter (during which, actually, it IS nice to have more sunlight in the car).
So all that’s either neutral or, in fact, something that might favour getting a sunroof in darker, northern climes, whether one is in the northern US or Canada (note, by the way, that Toronto is further south than a huge chunk of the US, in fact we’re the same latitude here as central Italy).
2. Generally, for all cars, it is questionable whether sunroofs add value to your car. Google this if you don’t want to take my word for it. The fact is they generally don’t pay for themselves. It’s like a used car rule.
3. The above is even more the case for performance cars because far more buyers imagine taking their car to the track than those who actually do so. So there is a quirky demand for slick tops if it’s a performance car because it’s the buyer’s imagination of how they might use a car that sells them on a car, not what their actual real world use will be.
For example, the reality is that I spend about 70 percent of my time in my car in heavy traffic going slower than the speed limit.
Probably not an unusual experience but not the kind of thing any of us imagine when we buy our hero cars. And for most people buying cars, whatever the type, it’s all about our dreams, not reality, when we buy a new car, whatever they type. Like, how many AMG Galendewagens ever go off road? Or to a drag strip? And how many Land Rovers and Range Rovers are actually roving any land or range?
4.I’ll say it again: it’s not really a panoramic roof anyway, so it looks weird from the back seat, and you don’t even know it’s there from the front because it’s mostly behind your head. So you actually rarely miss it, if ever.

Whole heartedly agreed. I like in California, and I’d still rather have the window down with my arm on the sill than having the sunroof open and sun on my head.

If it were the real deal panoramic and it opened all the way up, shit yeah… that’s basically a convertible. I’ve had a convertible Mustang, and it was great when it’s sunny, but a bitch the rest of the time. ESPECIALLY when the rear window started leaking, and even more so when some jerk cut through to steal a whole lot of nothing… they got my iPod, but other than that zip.

Anyway, I decided against the sunroof after sitting in one with it.

 

[PrimeTime]

Not pulling anything out of my ass.
1. Summers in Toronto are pretty hot but still more pleasant than the sultry, oppressive heat of southern US summers, when I think you are likely to pull the blinds on a sunroof on most days to keep the scorching sun from burning your lap. And most buyers up here put cars like this away in the winter (during which, actually, it IS nice to have more sunlight in the car).
So all that’s either neutral or, in fact, something that might favour getting a sunroof in darker, northern climes, whether one is in the northern US or Canada (note, by the way, that Toronto is further south than a huge chunk of the US, in fact we’re the same latitude here as central Italy).
2. Generally, for all cars, it is questionable whether sunroofs add value to your car. Google this if you don’t want to take my word for it. The fact is they generally don’t pay for themselves. It’s like a used car rule.
3. The above is even more the case for performance cars because far more buyers imagine taking their car to the track than those who actually do so. So there is a quirky demand for slick tops if it’s a performance car because it’s the buyer’s imagination of how they might use a car that sells them on a car, not what their actual real world use will be.
For example, the reality is that I spend about 70 percent of my time in my car in heavy traffic going slower than the speed limit.
Probably not an unusual experience but not the kind of thing any of us imagine when we buy our hero cars. And for most people buying cars, whatever the type, it’s all about our dreams, not reality, when we buy a new car, whatever the type. Like, how many AMG Galendewagens ever go off road? Or to a drag strip? And how many Land Rovers and Range Rovers are actually roving any land or range?
4.I’ll say it again: it’s not really a panoramic roof anyway, so it looks weird from the back seat, and you don’t even know it’s there from the front because it’s mostly behind your head. So you actually rarely miss it, if ever.

Not trying to debate you on this...The like, dislikes, have , don't want pano roof discussion has taken place around here on several threads.

I can't say that in any I can remember reading, someone pointed out the pano roof option could possibly be worth less on resale then one without? This what I questioned on your post.

If your talking general used car rule, then the reality as we know it, is as soon as you pull off the lot new and drive it off you take a hit in the pocket. True of most cars which are non-special edition or well kept, stored cars with just about zero miles on them no matter what options you get.

The car depreciates, generally speaking..

There are a few folks in sales around here, maybe one could tell you they would sell you a pano roof car for less than one without? Maybe, IDK?

As for the "true pano" roof or lack there of in the 5BW, this design has much to do with the structural integrity of the roof in a 200 mph track ready sedan.

If you flip one over, you will certainly be happy it was not a full pano roof.

To me, it's about preference and depends mostly on who you ask. I took you up on your suggestion, so I asked google.

Like I said earlier, love the colors you and a few others spec on your cars. Fantastic.

 

[T.O.Blackwing]

Not trying to debate you on this...The like, dislikes, have , don't want pano roof discussion has taken place around here on several threads.

I can't say that in any I can remember reading, someone pointed out the pano roof option could possibly be worth less on resale then one without? This what I questioned on your post.

If your talking general used car rule, then the reality as we know it, is as soon as you pull off the lot new and drive it off you take a hit in the pocket. True of most cars which are non-special edition or well kept, stored cars with just about zero miles on them no matter what options you get.

The car depreciates, generally speaking..

There are a few folks in sales around here, maybe one could tell you they would sell you a pano roof car for less than one without? Maybe, IDK?

As for the "true pano" roof or lack there of in the 5BW, this design has much to do with the structural integrity of the roof in a 200 mph track ready sedan.

If you flip one over, you will certainly be happy it was not a full pano roof.

To me, it's about preference and depends mostly on who you ask. I took you up on your suggestion, so I asked google.

Like I said earlier, love the colors you and a few others spec on your cars. Fantastic.

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AI is answering the wrong question.
(Also, Google AI isn't actually intelligent and it doesn't know f**k.)
I said: "The fact is they generally don’t pay for themselves."
Meaning if you pay $1,000 extra for a sunroof, don't expect to get it back.
At best, I think what you'll get is an equivalent fraction of the depreciated value of of the car as a whole.
But probably less.
Meaning it doesn't pay for itself.
I think that's true of other non-essential options, too, including the fancy schmanzty carbon fiber backed seats in my '24.
I certainly did not say, or mean to say, a car with a sunroof is generally worth less, though that can sometimes be the case with a performance car.
I have no crystal ball for that in respect of the Blackwing but I am sure that there will be folks a few years from now who will want one without a sunroof, and others who want one with a sunroof.
Who knows?
Get what you like is probably the best strategy, all things considered.

 

[PrimeTime]

I can agree with some of what your saying. I certainly do not expect a dollar for dollar return on my car, true of any car I've ever owned.

It's the pleasure it brings me and the family, with the driving experience.

That said, I certainly don't expect an option to have no contributory value to the car at all which is what I thought I heard...

Healthy discussion, your points are well taken.

 

[ajamils]

Not sure why this became a sunroof vs non-sunroof debate thread but for me sunroof is a MUST, even if I only use it few times a year. Since I never track a car, minimal weight savings mean nothing. I rather have the option than not, specially when I'm spending $100K+ on a car.

 

[PrimeTime]

In a way there is something to be said about the ability to open the pano and enjoy, hear the car a little more when throttled, day or night vs. not having that opportunity at all.

Windows sometimes up, AC always on. LOL!

That in itself I believe has value. For me, it's simply a