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I have loved Mustangs since I was a kid. Now I feel way too old for them. I bought my kids a Civic Si and I feel silly driving that as well. We do have a dealer right down the road that sells 800HP Mustangs for $50K though. Lebanon Ford
 
RKS said:
I have loved Mustangs since I was a kid. Now I feel way too old for them. I bought my kids a Civic Si and I feel silly driving that as well. We do have a dealer right down the road that sells 800HP Mustangs for $50K though. Lebanon Ford
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I think the demographic is pretty dispersed on mustangs given the different options and price points, so you could pull it off w/o judgement!
 
FI Fiend said:
I think the demographic is pretty dispersed on mustangs given the different options and price points, so you could pull it off w/o judgement!
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Agreed...but its definitely old guys with Vettes - LOL...at least from what I saw at Spring Mountain last spring...
 
With all the talk here about Mustangs and Blackwings, maybe I should chime in as I owned a 2020 Bullitt before I bought my first CT5 V Blackwing.
Here’s my (very subjective) input based on my experience:

Clear Advantage Blackwing:
- handling
- steering
- power (the Bullitt was no slouch but the Caddy has just gobs and gobs of torque and supercharged power at almost any engine speed)
- clutch (the engagement point in the Bullitt always felt weird - too high or something)
- transmission (the Bullitt’s Getrag, which was also in the GT but not the Shelby and the Mach 1, is but a peasant compared to the Caddy’s noble Tremec)
- outward visibility (but is that just the electronic mirror?)
- general utility (Mustang trunk was bigger though)
- comfort (Bullitt wasn’t awful by any means, and certainly not for the price, but no competition for a $100k luxury sports sedan)
- electronics (electronic mirror, wireless CarPlay & charging, surround vision recording, etc. all unavailable in the Bullitt)

Slight Advantage Blackwing
- ride (my Bullitt had magnaride, too, so its ride was almost as good)
- overall interior quality (the Caddy is good but should be better for the price while overall my Bullitt was fine, too much cheap plastic in both, though more in the Mustang)

Slight Advantage Bullitt
- engine sound (the LT4 sounds great but edge here to the Coyote)
- engine intangibles (while the LT4 is great the Coyote is somehow slightly more fun to run through the gears - maybe that’s just the sound, though?)
- fuel economy (then again, who cares…)
- sound system (more oomph in the Bullitt, though neither car’s stock stereo is spectacular)

Clear Advantage Bullitt
- exterior styling (while the CT5 looks good, the S550 is truly a looker - I think it’s just too common for car enthusiasts like us to notice how great it looks anymore)
- interior design (miss that cue ball shifter, those aeronautic-style switches, and the twin cowl dash, even though it may have all been somewhat cheaply executed)
- trunk (noticeably larger, as already mentioned)
- instrumentation (the Bullitt package, like the GT’s, added a couple of extra analog gauges; I also preferred the design of its configurable electronic gauges over those in the Caddy)
- interior lighting (why couldn’t the CT5 include some colour configurability like you get in a Mustang?)
- charisma (compliments from pedestrians and motorists pretty much every time I drove it, though enthusiasts do notice and compliment the Caddy - even a Tesla guy, once)
- my wife liked it better

As I’m already on my second Blackwing after having only owned that one Mustang, you can surmise that I have a preference.
Reflected above, too, I suppose.
Nevertheless, I do feel more than a little nostalgic for my Mustang every now and then and I think for good reasons.
 
RKS said:
I have loved Mustangs since I was a kid. Now I feel way too old for them. I bought my kids a Civic Si and I feel silly driving that as well. We do have a dealer right down the road that sells 800HP Mustangs for $50K though. Lebanon Ford
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Granger Ford?
 
I can’t past the tacked on iPad dash and the weird center stack. Granted they are marketing to a younger demographic that grew up with iPads and play stations and such, but it’s just too messed up and disjointed looking to me.
 
T.O.Blackwing said:
With all the talk here about Mustangs and Blackwings, maybe I should chime in as I owned a 2020 Bullitt before I bought my first CT5 V Blackwing.
Here’s my (very subjective) input based on my experience:

Clear Advantage Blackwing:
- handling
- steering
- power (the Bullitt was no slouch but the Caddy has just gobs and gobs of torque and supercharged power at almost any engine speed)
- clutch (the engagement point in the Bullitt always felt weird - too high or something)
- transmission (the Bullitt’s Getrag, which was also in the GT but not the Shelby and the Mach 1, is but a peasant compared to the Caddy’s noble Tremec)
- outward visibility (but is that just the electronic mirror?)
- general utility (Mustang trunk was bigger though)
- comfort (Bullitt wasn’t awful by any means, and certainly not for the price, but no competition for a $100k luxury sports sedan)
- electronics (electronic mirror, wireless CarPlay & charging, surround vision recording, etc. all unavailable in the Bullitt)

Slight Advantage Blackwing
- ride (my Bullitt had magnaride, too, so its ride was almost as good)
- overall interior quality (the Caddy is good but should be better for the price while overall my Bullitt was fine, too much cheap plastic in both, though more in the Mustang)

Slight Advantage Bullitt
- engine sound (the LT4 sounds great but edge here to the Coyote)
- engine intangibles (while the LT4 is great the Coyote is somehow slightly more fun to run through the gears - maybe that’s just the sound, though?)
- fuel economy (then again, who cares…)
- sound system (more oomph in the Bullitt, though neither car’s stock stereo is spectacular)

Clear Advantage Bullitt
- exterior styling (while the CT5 looks good, the S550 is truly a looker - I think it’s just too common for car enthusiasts like us to notice how great it looks anymore)
- interior design (miss that cue ball shifter, those aeronautic-style switches, and the twin cowl dash, even though it may have all been somewhat cheaply executed)
- trunk (noticeably larger, as already mentioned)
- instrumentation (the Bullitt package, like the GT’s, added a couple of extra analog gauges; I also preferred the design of its configurable electronic gauges over those in the Caddy)
- interior lighting (why couldn’t the CT5 include some colour configurability like you get in a Mustang?)
- charisma (compliments from pedestrians and motorists pretty much every time I drove it, though enthusiasts do notice and compliment the Caddy - even a Tesla guy, once)
- my wife liked it better

As I’m already on my second Blackwing after having only owned that one Mustang, you can surmise that I have a preference.
Reflected above, too, I suppose.
Nevertheless, I do feel more than a little nostalgic for my Mustang every now and then and I think for good reasons.
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problem is Ford doesnt put the coyote in a sedan and some of us just dont want coupes. i dont think they even make any sedans any more
its great to have the LT4 available in camaro/corvette coupe or 5bw sedan form. similarly with the challenger/charger. wish ford offered the same choice
 
T.O.Blackwing said:
With all the talk here about Mustangs and Blackwings, maybe I should chime in as I owned a 2020 Bullitt before I bought my first CT5 V Blackwing.
Here’s my (very subjective) input based on my experience:

Clear Advantage Blackwing:
- handling
- steering
- power (the Bullitt was no slouch but the Caddy has just gobs and gobs of torque and supercharged power at almost any engine speed)
- clutch (the engagement point in the Bullitt always felt weird - too high or something)
- transmission (the Bullitt’s Getrag, which was also in the GT but not the Shelby and the Mach 1, is but a peasant compared to the Caddy’s noble Tremec)
- outward visibility (but is that just the electronic mirror?)
- general utility (Mustang trunk was bigger though)
- comfort (Bullitt wasn’t awful by any means, and certainly not for the price, but no competition for a $100k luxury sports sedan)
- electronics (electronic mirror, wireless CarPlay & charging, surround vision recording, etc. all unavailable in the Bullitt)

Slight Advantage Blackwing
- ride (my Bullitt had magnaride, too, so its ride was almost as good)
- overall interior quality (the Caddy is good but should be better for the price while overall my Bullitt was fine, too much cheap plastic in both, though more in the Mustang)

Slight Advantage Bullitt
- engine sound (the LT4 sounds great but edge here to the Coyote)
- engine intangibles (while the LT4 is great the Coyote is somehow slightly more fun to run through the gears - maybe that’s just the sound, though?)
- fuel economy (then again, who cares…)
- sound system (more oomph in the Bullitt, though neither car’s stock stereo is spectacular)

Clear Advantage Bullitt
- exterior styling (while the CT5 looks good, the S550 is truly a looker - I think it’s just too common for car enthusiasts like us to notice how great it looks anymore)
- interior design (miss that cue ball shifter, those aeronautic-style switches, and the twin cowl dash, even though it may have all been somewhat cheaply executed)
- trunk (noticeably larger, as already mentioned)
- instrumentation (the Bullitt package, like the GT’s, added a couple of extra analog gauges; I also preferred the design of its configurable electronic gauges over those in the Caddy)
- interior lighting (why couldn’t the CT5 include some colour configurability like you get in a Mustang?)
- charisma (compliments from pedestrians and motorists pretty much every time I drove it, though enthusiasts do notice and compliment the Caddy - even a Tesla guy, once)
- my wife liked it better

As I’m already on my second Blackwing after having only owned that one Mustang, you can surmise that I have a preference.
Reflected above, too, I suppose.
Nevertheless, I do feel more than a little nostalgic for my Mustang every now and then and I think for good reasons.
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I think it's those intangibles that are drawing me to the mustang. I really have no specific complaints about my car other than sound- just something missing for me. I enjoy the car but it seems to lack a certain edge for me. Interesting to hear the preference for the 5.0 even over the LT4
 
dinkman said:
problem is Ford doesnt put the coyote in a sedan and some of us just dont want coupes. i dont think they even make any sedans any more
its great to have the LT4 available in camaro/corvette coupe or 5bw sedan form. similarly with the challenger/charger. wish ford offered the same choice
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I thought that Ford was working on a 4-door Mustang?
 
I considered a DH when I started shopping for my car but ultimately went with the 4 BW. I had a base level S650 as a rental last week, and I have to say that it definitely validated my choice of the Cadillac even when you factor in that it was a "well broken in" rental with the base powertrain.. The Mustang was relatively comfortable, but it felt heavy and ponderous in addition to being physically larger than the 4BW. In addition, the car looked and felt really cheap. I was quite disappointed.
 
RKS said:
I thought that Ford was working on a 4-door Mustang?
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Good Luck Charlie What GIF (GIF Image)
 
RKS said:
I thought that Ford was working on a 4-door Mustang?
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That electric thing is four doors, although it's not really a Mustang, IMHO.

Roadhawk said:
Agreed...but its definitely old guys with Vettes - LOL...at least from what I saw at Spring Mountain last spring...
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Hey, I resemble that remark!

T.O.Blackwing said:
With all the talk here about Mustangs and Blackwings, maybe I should chime in as I owned a 2020 Bullitt before I bought my first CT5 V Blackwing.
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I shopped the Bullitt and thought it was great but for me, personally, I didn't want to spend the premium and ended up with a base GT (saving thousands). No argument though that the Mustang is a great bang-for-the-buck, and so congrats to the OP!
 
T.O.Blackwing said:
With all the talk here about Mustangs and Blackwings, maybe I should chime in as I owned a 2020 Bullitt before I bought my first CT5 V Blackwing.
Here’s my (very subjective) input based on my experience:

Clear Advantage Blackwing:
- handling
- steering
- power (the Bullitt was no slouch but the Caddy has just gobs and gobs of torque and supercharged power at almost any engine speed)
- clutch (the engagement point in the Bullitt always felt weird - too high or something)
- transmission (the Bullitt’s Getrag, which was also in the GT but not the Shelby and the Mach 1, is but a peasant compared to the Caddy’s noble Tremec)
- outward visibility (but is that just the electronic mirror?)
- general utility (Mustang trunk was bigger though)
- comfort (Bullitt wasn’t awful by any means, and certainly not for the price, but no competition for a $100k luxury sports sedan)
- electronics (electronic mirror, wireless CarPlay & charging, surround vision recording, etc. all unavailable in the Bullitt)

Slight Advantage Blackwing
- ride (my Bullitt had magnaride, too, so its ride was almost as good)
- overall interior quality (the Caddy is good but should be better for the price while overall my Bullitt was fine, too much cheap plastic in both, though more in the Mustang)

Slight Advantage Bullitt
- engine sound (the LT4 sounds great but edge here to the Coyote)
- engine intangibles (while the LT4 is great the Coyote is somehow slightly more fun to run through the gears - maybe that’s just the sound, though?)
- fuel economy (then again, who cares…)
- sound system (more oomph in the Bullitt, though neither car’s stock stereo is spectacular)

Clear Advantage Bullitt
- exterior styling (while the CT5 looks good, the S550 is truly a looker - I think it’s just too common for car enthusiasts like us to notice how great it looks anymore)
- interior design (miss that cue ball shifter, those aeronautic-style switches, and the twin cowl dash, even though it may have all been somewhat cheaply executed)
- trunk (noticeably larger, as already mentioned)
- instrumentation (the Bullitt package, like the GT’s, added a couple of extra analog gauges; I also preferred the design of its configurable electronic gauges over those in the Caddy)
- interior lighting (why couldn’t the CT5 include some colour configurability like you get in a Mustang?)
- charisma (compliments from pedestrians and motorists pretty much every time I drove it, though enthusiasts do notice and compliment the Caddy - even a Tesla guy, once)
- my wife liked it better

As I’m already on my second Blackwing after having only owned that one Mustang, you can surmise that I have a preference.
Reflected above, too, I suppose.
Nevertheless, I do feel more than a little nostalgic for my Mustang every now and then and I think for good reasons.
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Forgot a couple of Clear Advantage Bullitt items:
- quiet start that truly quiet started the car at specific times
- default to rev match or not at startup could be set to your preference
- you could start the car with just the clutch depressed (it’s dumb and potentially dangerous for one to have to depress both the clutch and brake, e.g., if you accidentally stall in an intersection with someone on your tail)
 
T.O.Blackwing said:
Forgot a couple of Clear Advantage Bullitt items:
- you could start the car with just the clutch depressed (it’s dumb and potentially dangerous for one to have to depress both the clutch and brake, e.g., if you accidentally stall in an intersection with someone on your tail)
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Agree - the need to depress the BW’s brake pedal is a mistake.
 
T.O.Blackwing said:
Slight Advantage Bullitt
- engine sound (the LT4 sounds great but edge here to the Coyote)
- engine intangibles (while the LT4 is great the Coyote is somehow slightly more fun to run through the gears - maybe that’s just the sound, though?)
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Fully agree with you on this.

The Coyote has this puppy-dog energy that's endearing. It always wants to keep going. Hit 6500 rpm and it wants to play some more. Hit 7000 and it still wants to keep playing. Hit 7500 and it feels like it still has a bit more to go.

The LT4 is special. It is on a whole other planet. But the Coyote was definitely more fun to hit redline with.
 
dinkman said:
Good Luck Charlie What GIF (GIF Image)
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www.thedrive.com

Spy Photos Catch Ford Testing Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing Against Mustang

A Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing was spotted at Ford's test track with a Mustang convertible amid rumors that Ford is working on a Mustang sedan.
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Ford was apparently seen testing a Mustang against a 4BW. there were also leaks that Ford dealers were told to expect a 4-door Mustang at some point in the future.

A 4BW sized competitor with the Coyote would be cool.
 
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