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CT4-V 4BW to C8, tempted

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Kids are grown and out of the house. I had a yellow C3 in my teens, kind of want another yellow vette. I just cant justify the cost of the 5BW and I kind of feel like its too similar to what I have now, I like to change things up a bit each car/truck. But a 5BW if the right deal came along would be my other option.
With the fun roads you get to drive on the SR is a great idea for that commute.

Not trying to steer you towards the 5BW, but it is very different from the 4. I was quite surprised how different they are. But, with that commute you’ll be hitting the gas station every day/every other day in a 5BW. SR would probably stretch it to every three if that is a consideration.
 
Worse, Lake Hughes to the Miracle Mile area on Wilshire, across the street from the LaBrea Tar Pits. Have been doing that since 2007.
Bless your lil heart sir. You definitely need an auto with SUPERCRUISE!!! Surprised you havent done the californian thing and got a used Model 3 for less than $25K for that drive.

I worked part time in HS at 6 flags, would used to take the back roads via Lake Hughes Rd or San Fransicquito. That drive into Castiac never got old even tho the distance did.
 
Is this the genuine sympathy version or the passive aggressive version? ;)
Nah man, I know the drive sucks even on the best days. I can only imagine how it is right now driving into San Fernando and LA basin with all the fires.
 
Traffic has not been all that bad, but then again I pick my hours and usually go in at 4am and come home at 2 to avoid the worst of it. But there have been plenty of days it taken me 4 to 5 hours to get home.
 
You will certainly spend less time at the pump in the C8! That said, I do recommend at least driving the LC500. I drove one last year and it immediately feels like a very special car and then that V8 sounds incredible. Plus it is far more rare than a C8. Either way, you will not go wrong if you don’t need a manual.
 
I have to admit, reading about all of the DTC issues and trans replacements some folks have had really makes me re-think. I know its only a small percentage, but I would hate to be one of those. The DTC filter and fluid maintenance is not a major issue for me, I can do the work in my garage. I am still strongly leaning that way, but going to give it a few months to, I just did a bunch of maintenance, including replacing the front struts on my 4BW, want to get some miles out of it now.
 
I have to admit, reading about all of the DTC issues and trans replacements some folks have had really makes me re-think. I know its only a small percentage, but I would hate to be one of those.

That was one of the primary issues that deterred me. I also chose my '24 4BW over a '24 Stingray for practicality.

I'll be 70 in a couple months, and while I didn't have difficulties getting in and out of my C7, I do tend to hold onto cars for a while and I was concerned about my wife and I getting in and out of the car in 6-8 years.

We also take 2-3 long road trips a year and the Caddy has a proper trunk. We can also use the back seats. You have to be careful about what you put in the rear trunk of the C8 because its proximity to the exhaust creates a lot of heat. Chevrolet really should've insulated that better. No such issues in the 4BW.

Speaking of insulation, the CT4-V is much quieter than a Corvette. You're seated inches in front of the motor in the C8 and you can definitely hear all the mechanical bits rotating around back there. In the C7 it was the sound of gears meshing in the diff that intruded into the cabin. In Tour mode, the 4BW is much quieter than the C8. As I've grown older I've come to appreciate that more, but if I want it louder I can make it louder.
 
I just turned 49 and am very physically active still. Getting in and out will be okay for a few more years haha.

Hit the gym 4 to 5 days a week at work and road and mountain bike 2-3 times a week. At the moment I am able to take the wheels off my road bike and toss it in the back with the rear seats down. I use a SeaSucker for the mountain bike which holds up quite well. Week before last I had a 911 playing with me on my way home up San Francisquito Canyon Rd from Santa Clarita up to Lake Hughes. Took a few corners at 1g (could net let the 911 past you know), the SeaSucker did not let me down haha. If I go with the SR, I am sure the SeaSucker will work just fine for the mountain bike, and I can take put the road bike (with wheels off) in a bike back in the passenger seat.

I am still leaning that way at this point, just a change of scenery. As far as road noise, that is a concern, I know moving away from the PS4S ZP's to non ZP's help with road noise, I run PS4S's year round on my 4BW, typically last right at 20K Mi, so about 6 months. Also looking into GM extended service plans to cover the DTC.
 
I just turned 49 and am very physically active still. Getting in and out will be okay for a few more years haha.

Hit the gym 4 to 5 days a week at work and road and mountain bike 2-3 times a week. At the moment I am able to take the wheels off my road bike and toss it in the back with the rear seats down. I use a SeaSucker for the mountain bike which holds up quite well. Week before last I had a 911 playing with me on my way home up San Francisquito Canyon Rd from Santa Clarita up to Lake Hughes. Took a few corners at 1g (could net let the 911 past you know), the SeaSucker did not let me down haha. If I go with the SR, I am sure the SeaSucker will work just fine for the mountain bike, and I can take put the road bike (with wheels off) in a bike back in the passenger seat.

I am still leaning that way at this point, just a change of scenery. As far as road noise, that is a concern, I know moving away from the PS4S ZP's to non ZP's help with road noise, I run PS4S's year round on my 4BW, typically last right at 20K Mi, so about 6 months. Also looking into GM extended service plans to cover the DTC.
Seasucker is the best piece of bike equipment I've ever bought.

I ride a lot in Harriman State Park in NY, which also happens to have some incredible driving roads. Never let me down and that twofer (ride/drive) is the best way to spend weekend mornings.
 
Firstly, congratulations on putting so many miles on your 4BW. You obviously use it like it's meant to be. Kudos!

I have a '23 5BW (delivered 1/2023) & '23 C8 Stingray HTC 2LT (delivered 9/2022). The C8 has MagnaRide, performance exhaust & GT2 seats. I couldn't get the Z51 package bc it was on constraint at the time I was able to place my order.

While not exactly the same as what you're looking at (bc 4BW vs 5BW), all I can say is, the 2 cars are completely different beasts. To give you an idea on how much time I've spent in each since new, I currently have 38k miles on the 5BW & 41k miles on the C8. I've also had both on the track for multiple track days in each.

Noise: The 5BW is SO much quieter inside than the C8. Now that I've got A/S tires on the 5BW, it's gotten even quieter. This might not seem like a big deal, but on long trips & on a day-to-day basis, being able to hear the radio/Podcast or talking on the (handsfree) phone, this makes a big difference.

Build Quality: The Corvette has classically been criticized for poor build quality & low quality pieces. In the C8, GM really stepped up their game. I have no complaints at all about the touch surfaces of either the 5BW or the C8 & they are pretty comparable.

Tech: I have the exact same setup in both cars as they both have the OEM PDR & rearview mirror camera. Since the dash is customizable for Z & My Modes, I have the dash setup to look exactly the same in both cars.

Ride: While both cars have (with OEM alignment) pretty noticeable understeer, the C8 understeer is more easily managed. Curb weight also makes a difference in the character of the vehicles. My 5BW is ~500lbs more than the C8 & your 4BW is ~200lbs more than the C8. With how much lower you sit in the C8, that weight difference is very noticeable. Even though I have the HTC, the chassis flex when changing directions is so much less than what I feel in the 5BW. I suspect there is more chassis flex in the 4BW over the C8 as well. Even though both have MagnaRide, the ride in the C8 is definitely more harsh even on the softest setting. I suspect the lighter chassis & the OEM tuning contributes to this greatly. Where I live in NC, the roads are pretty nice compared to where I came from in the NY/Tri-state area. If you have to deal with potholes or many areas of uneven pavement, you will notice this much more in the C8.

The placement of the engine makes a HUGE difference in the character of the 2 vehicles. Push either really hard into a corner or on a sweeping highway on/off ramp & you can feel it. The C8 will want to rotate around your seat & the 5BW wants to have the back end swing out like a pendulum. The mid-engine also contributes greatly to the cabin noise of the C8.

Maintenance: Like you, I do almost all my own work on the vehicles I own. The maintenance schedule & work on the C8 is more demanding than on the 5BW. There's an easy hack to adding the extra 2L of tranny fluid into the C8 if taking it to the track. (Some advocate doing that even if not taking it to the track as added protection to the tranny.) Changing out the tranny fluid filter is relatively easy but there are about 100 bolts (slight exaggeration) to remove to get the underbody floor/tray off to get to the filter. As I understand it, changing out the tranny fluid takes specialized tools. Moreover, unless you painstakingly document everything you do & have a failure, GM still might void the warranty.

I LOVE having an MT on my 5BW. I so wish GM offered the C8 with an MT but they've decide that's not going to happen. This one thing alone makes the vehicles so entirely different.

If you end up getting the C8, I HIGHLY recommend getting the HTC over the coupe for one reason: You don't lose any trunk space when you put down the top like you do when removing the targa top. The targa top goes into the trunk if you take it off & you lose all storage space back there. Of course, there's still the frunk, but that's pretty small. It's only big enough to hold a standard sized carry on luggage.

For me, one vehicle is not a replacement for the other because they are so different. I think a good way of going about this is to list your priorities for what you want in a vehicle & what you plan to do with it. Make a Pros/Cons list for the 4BW & the C8 & then weigh your options.

If you can swing it, keep the 4BW & add the C8 to your stable. Good luck!
I too have a M6 5BW and a ‘21 C8 HTC. My C8 is a non-Z51 with performance exhaust, mag ride shocks, front lift, GT2 seats and two-tone adrenaline red interior. I have a little over 13,000 miles on my C8 and I have driven it from Florida to Ohio twice so I have some good seat time in the car.

I agree with most of what sonny200 said about the two cars. My biggest disappoint with the C8 is the DCT. I absolutely despise it. The maintenance requirements are ridiculous and expensive. First and second gear are way too short. The realiability of the transmission is trash. Go over to the Corvette forum and you’ll see cars needing a transmission replacement after driving the car off the lot. The transmission in my C8 needed a valve body replacement this past September after 13,000 miles when it decided not to shift to the even gears. I had the external transmission filter replaced at 4000 and 7500 miles and the transmission fluid replaced at 3 yrs all within GM’s maintenance schedule and the transmission still went out. Oh yea, and try to get the car into neutral if the engine won’t start. Good luck!

Don’t kid yourself, there is definitely a Corvette tax. Heck they don’t even include a tow hook with the car. I had to purchase the official OEM tow hook for $100. My previous ‘17 ZL1 came from the factory with one.

Don’t get me started on the removal of the mechanical trunk latch in 2023. The soft-close feature is nice but should it fail on a ‘23 or up C8, your looking at some drilling into the car to get the trunk open.

I know the Corvette guys think their C8s are the top dog of the GM performance line, but it’s not even close. The Blackwings are hands down the best GM performance cars currently being built in my opinion.

My 2021 C8 is the first Corvette I’ve ever owned and likely my last. As long as GM puts a DCT with Tremec in the name, I’m out.
 

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I know the Corvette guys think their C8s are the top dog of the GM performance line, but it’s not even close. The Blackwings are hands down the best GM performance cars currently being built in my opinion.
Some statement....but great to hear from someone who obviously has some relevant experience.
 
Some statement....but great to hear from someone who obviously has some relevant experience.
The only thing the C8 Stingray has over the BW is the mid-engine design. It does make for superior handling. Otherwise I think the car is way over hyped.

I seriously considered trading my Stingray for an Eray but after experiencing transmission issues I'm over that.

For now I'm keeping the C8 because it's paid for and my wife likes riding in a convertible.

Since getting the 5BW, I find myself spending more time driving it than the Stingray. For me it's just a more engaging car to drive.
 
I have to say I just loved the driving dynamics of my mid-engined supercharged MR2. Certainly not as fast as a C8 (but it was a quick car for the time). Being so small and mid-engined made it almost telepathic in lane changes with unsurpassed ability to weave through traffic. The supercharger gave it instant push...felt like it was a small block V8 back there....and it had such a flickable little shift knob...a really underrated car (for fun)

I also loved the T-tops and drove top down whenever i could (including for 26 hours straight from Boulder CO to DC one labor day weekend in the early 90s)....at the end of a 2week long 5K mile trip that took me to the grand Canyon (both rims) and with a 1 week interlude with the wife's family and friends on a houseboat on Lake Powell.

In one stretch across Colorado (from 4 corners region, past Grand Canyon of the Gunnison to Boulder) I drove for an hour on a stretch of 2-3 lane mountain road where 2 speed bikers (crotch rockets) tried their best (for the whole hour) to pass me (and never could). After an hour I was really starting to worry for their safety and let them by me...I tailed them for another 1/2 hour and when we finally got into a town at a light one of them took off his helmet and exclaimed it was the best riding ever in his life and asked if my car was a Ferrari! LOL
 
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The only thing the C8 Stingray has over the BW is the mid-engine design. It does make for superior handling. Otherwise I think the car is way over hyped.

I seriously considered trading my Stingray for an Eray but after experiencing transmission issues I'm over that.

For now I'm keeping the C8 because it's paid for and my wife likes riding in a convertible.

Since getting the 5BW, I find myself spending more time driving it than the Stingray. For me it's just a more engaging car to drive.
Dunno if you just mean the C8 SR, but the C8 Z06 is easily the best and most exciting performance car I’ve ever driven. I thankfully didn’t have any DCT issues, but I didn’t have it for that long. I loved it with the LT6. I’m most likely going to get another in the future. Hopefully have that and the 5V BW next to each other.
 
I've been using a '24 Stingray Z51 HTC as my only vehicle for the last 7 months, it currently has winter tires on it.

If your BW is auto and you don't need the backseats a C8 is a perfectly fine vehicle to consider. Its a great daily sports car, however in stock form it is incredibly quiet. Like I feel like I'm driving Tesla quiet, the exhaust is only loud on start up and once you start puttering around you don't even know its there. I put a Borla ATAK on it and that woke it right up, made the vehicle much more enjoyable.

The DCT is also not very smooth. If you do a lot of driving in the city, traffic etc a torque converter automatic will be infinitely more comfortable.

Being able to see the engine becomes a novelty. My first C8 was a coupe and I avoided the convertible because I wanted to see the engine, after a month I didn't care anymore and told myself my next one would absolutely be a convertible.

The maintenance is higher, the transmission is a sour point for its maintenance costs and troubled reliability history but I wouldn't let that deter you.

Grocery runs are fine, everything I need fits in the frunk and if needed the trunk.

If you like it go buy one, great deals to be had now.

An LC500 would also be a great buy as a daily sports car, would most likely hold more value as well and you will be able to actually hear the exhaust. However it is missing features such as magride, HUD, front lift etc that the C8 has.

My C8 is being traded in tomorrow and I'm going back to a C7 Z06 but I've enjoyed my Stingray, just wish it was a manual and I probably would keep it.
 
I've been using a '24 Stingray Z51 HTC as my only vehicle for the last 7 months, it currently has winter tires on it.

If your BW is auto and you don't need the backseats a C8 is a perfectly fine vehicle to consider. Its a great daily sports car, however in stock form it is incredibly quiet. Like I feel like I'm driving Tesla quiet, the exhaust is only loud on start up and once you start puttering around you don't even know its there. I put a Borla ATAK on it and that woke it right up, made the vehicle much more enjoyable.

The DCT is also not very smooth. If you do a lot of driving in the city, traffic etc a torque converter automatic will be infinitely more comfortable.

Being able to see the engine becomes a novelty. My first C8 was a coupe and I avoided the convertible because I wanted to see the engine, after a month I didn't care anymore and told myself my next one would absolutely be a convertible.

The maintenance is higher, the transmission is a sour point for its maintenance costs and troubled reliability history but I wouldn't let that deter you.

Grocery runs are fine, everything I need fits in the frunk and if needed the trunk.

If you like it go buy one, great deals to be had now.

An LC500 would also be a great buy as a daily sports car, would most likely hold more value as well and you will be able to actually hear the exhaust. However it is missing features such as magride, HUD, front lift etc that the C8 has.

My C8 is being traded in tomorrow and I'm going back to a C7 Z06 but I've enjoyed my Stingray, just wish it was a manual and I probably would keep it.
What year, color, specs of the C7Z? I had a 2016, still miss it from time to time.
 
What year, color, specs of the C7Z? I had a 2016, still miss it from time to time.

It's a 2016 C7.R edition so basically fully loaded.

Corvette Racing Yellow Coupe manual 3LZ, Z07, exposed carbon fiber ground exposed, exposed carbon hood, comp seats, yellow calipers, yellow stitching etc. All part of the C7.R special edition package.

I had a '19 C7Z that I missed, was similar spec to this 2016 except it was red and didn't have Z07.
 
@dstewart51 I hope you are safe and able to avoid the Hughes fire. Yikes. Keep us posted, please.
All good, the fire is 15 miles south of me, but on Lake Hughes Rd just to the north east of Castaic Lake, its currently burning a favorite Mountain Bike area we ride called Tapia Canyon. The fire is moving west toward the 5. The winds almost never blow north, so that's good.
 

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