Summer tires in cold weather ?

[Chuck99]

How much of a hit in performance would there be if swapping to Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4?

I haven't used snow tires in decades. I have a full of tools & always did my own work but can't do as much as I used to and & rather not swap tires/wheels twice a year. I really like the car but maybe a Blackwing isn't the car for me. It would be a replacement for a 392 Charger which has never seen snow but has been driven on cold days.

 

[ArgentWing]

How much of a hit in performance would there be if swapping to Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4?

I haven't used snow tires in decades. I have a full of tools & always did my own work but can't do as much as I used to and & rather not swap tires/wheels twice a year. I really like the car but maybe a Blackwing isn't the car for me. It would be a replacement for a 392 Charger which has never seen snow but has been driven on cold days.

I live in Buffalo. I put my car away on November 15th. I don't plan to drive it again until April. It sounds like you have other transportation available. I would just let it sit for those 4 or 5 months and stick with the summer only tires.

 

[Super Saloon]

How much of a hit in performance would there be if swapping to Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4?

I haven't used snow tires in decades. I have a full of tools & always did my own work but can't do as much as I used to and & rather not swap tires/wheels twice a year. I really like the car but maybe a Blackwing isn't the car for me. It would be a replacement for a 392 Charger which has never seen snow but has been driven on cold days.

With how advanced tires have gotten many performance oriented vehicles come equipped from the factory with summer only tires. Do you live near a discount tire? They will store and swap them for you and I think it’s reasonably priced. I think you will be in this same dilemma with any performance car.

 

[Roadhawk]

How much of a hit in performance would there be if swapping to Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4?

I haven't used snow tires in decades. I have a full of tools & always did my own work but can't do as much as I used to and & rather not swap tires/wheels twice a year. I really like the car but maybe a Blackwing isn't the car for me. It would be a replacement for a 392 Charger which has never seen snow but has been driven on cold days.

Depends on how you drive...but i think the hit could be a big one. I'm a big believer in snow tires for the winter (if the climate at all warrants it) and summer performance tires for spring summer & fall. As a Blackwing driver (or at least considering one) I would assume you value handling dynamics and not just straight line speed. Sure its a bit of a pain to change out wheels twice a year....I get it....and sure there is also some expense...but its a no brainer in my book....just my view...

 

[BimmerFan]

My two cents, which is worth about twice what you paid for it:

I run the PS4S tires year-round, and I've done the same on other high performance cars. They are great tires and as long as it's dry they work in the cold just fine (presuming that you act responsibly). I believe that the days of "summer" tires cracking and breaking in the cold are long over, of course cold being relative and in my book, above 5 degrees. Below that, yeah, probably not.

The worse experience I had was with Pirelli summers (on a Porsche) that were like glass when it got cold. But the Michelins are much better.

Of course, I go nowhere in the snow. If it snows, looks like snow, might snow, could snow or has snowed, the car stays parked. I either take the wife's car (with all seasons) or I just stay home. Fortunately we don't get much snow here (NC) and when we do, it doesn't stick around for long.

As for all seasons on the Blackwing, unless you're driving on the track or just acting like a total idiot on public streets, you'll never exceed the capabilities of a good tire like the Michelin A/S 4+. And by idiot, I mean irresponsible drag racing, taking turns too quickly, etc. Save that for the track.

 

[obeykube]

How much of a hit in performance would there be if swapping to Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4?

I haven't used snow tires in decades. I have a full of tools & always did my own work but can't do as much as I used to and & rather not swap tires/wheels twice a year. I really like the car but maybe a Blackwing isn't the car for me. It would be a replacement for a 392 Charger which has never seen snow but has been driven on cold days.

In my honest opinion, Michelin Pilot Alpine Sports (winter dedicated tires) in winter are just as good as the summer pilot sports in summer. The all season 4 is going to be 75% as good as both of them...all the time.

This car is so capable that unless you are doing double the speed limit on some challenging back roads, I think the all season 4 will be fine for daily spirited driving in good conditions. Again, the car is so good at keeping the wheels on the ground sticking, and even if they don't, the electronic nannies kick in immediately.

It sounds like you really need for your situation a 1 tire and wheel set up. If that's the priority, Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 is probably the best you are going to do.

 

[RDATLTE]

My two cents, which is worth about twice what you paid for it:

I run the PS4S tires year-round, and I've done the same on other high performance cars. They are great tires and as long as it's dry they work in the cold just fine (presuming that you act responsibly). I believe that the days of "summer" tires cracking and breaking in the cold are long over, of course cold being relative and in my book, above 5 degrees. Below that, yeah, probably not.

The worse experience I had was with Pirelli summers (on a Porsche) that were like glass when it got cold. But the Michelins are much better.

Of course, I go nowhere in the snow. If it snows, looks like snow, might snow, could snow or has snowed, the car stays parked. I either take the wife's car (with all seasons) or I just stay home. Fortunately we don't get much snow here (NC) and when we do, it doesn't stick around for long.

As for all seasons on the Blackwing, unless you're driving on the track or just acting like a total idiot on public streets, you'll never exceed the capabilities of a good tire like the Michelin A/S 4+. And by idiot, I mean irresponsible drag racing, taking turns too quickly, etc. Save that for the track.

There are summer tires and then there are summer tires. The ones that will in fact crack in the cold are the DOT certified / street legal race tires categorized as Streetable Track & Competition on Tire Rack. Our OEM tires are a hybrid compound somewhere in between an Extreme Summer Tire and a Streetable Track & Competition tire so, caution should be exercised.

 

[Steve D14]

I drove my 2024 CT5 BW when necessary this past winter in the dry down to 25-30 degrees but drove very cautiously until the tire temperatures came up by about 3 degrees. Have not had any issues. I used the tour setting to lessen the road impacts on the tires. I also drove my 2012 CTS-V coupe for two seasons and my 2000 BMW 540 for one season with Michelin summer tires in the winter with no problems.

That being said I would love to get a set of winter tires but they do not seem to be available in the rear size. Perhaps if I get new wheels and go with 275/35/19 all around will work?

Steve D

 

[Finally-a-V]

I drove my 2024 CT5 BW when necessary this past winter in the dry down to 25-30 degrees but drove very cautiously until the tire temperatures came up by about 3 degrees. Have not had any issues. I used the tour setting to lessen the road impacts on the tires

This guy gets it. It's not really a complicated situation.

 

[Roadhawk]

OK I get it...one could manage with all seasons in non snow areas or if they have alternative transport for snow or cold conditions,,,,but IMO all seasons are a (generally unacceptable) compromise....in all seasons. I'm not aware of any all season tire that grips as well as our OEM PS4 tire in warm weather and I never trust all seasons in snow even if they might be OK/perfectly fine in cold weather.

I've run with two sets of wheels/tires for most all the primary cars I drive since the early 1990s. With my supercharged 1989 MR2 I ran Yokohama A008R semi slicks in the summer and had snows for the winter. There was no all season with close to the grip I got from those yokos (and why I regularly lost cassette tapes out the window from my little dash on super tight/fast 90 deg turns).

I don't track my cars but do frequently drive them very hard on country and mountain roads and just in general,,,its what I do...and why I bought a CT 4 BW...and why I've bought most of the cars I've owned. Would an all season be OK on cold/wet days in the winter...sure...but this is my winter car and while I don't drive in snow often I sure don't want to be compromised when I do. I have to admit my previous Audi S4 with quattro has completely spoiled me....

I have a set of snow tires & wheels for my GTI as well...but probably only put the snows on every other year. The Vredsteins are great performance snows....but they get overpowered by the GTI's torque (which can be great fun)...but its not my ideal winter driver.

I have to admit we run Mich all seasons on our BMW ZHP...but its not my choice....wife insists. I immediately could tell the drop off from the OEM summer performance tires and it often pains me when I'm pushing the car hard....knowing it could be so much better. They are also seriously compromised in snow. But my wife is an LA girl and has no experience driving in snow so in some ways it keeps her off the road when she shouldn't be driving.

 

[Roadhawk]

In my honest opinion, Michelin Pilot Alpine Sports (winter dedicated tires) in winter are just as good as the summer pilot sports in summer. The all season 4 is going to be 75% as good as both of them...all the time.

This car is so capable that unless you are doing double the speed limit on some challenging back roads, I think the all season 4 will be fine for daily spirited driving in good conditions. Again, the car is so good at keeping the wheels on the ground sticking, and even if they don't, the electronic nannies kick in immediately.

It sounds like you really need for your situation a 1 tire and wheel set up. If that's the priority, Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 is probably the best you are going to do.

While I agree with most all you say here..to me 75% is not 100%....and I really want 110%+....but thats just me.

The Alpines are fantastic BTW I agree. But just the other day they came loose a bit in the cold on some twistiys. Of course i normally run in sport PTM so I could have reigned them in....but living on the edge a bit is part of the fun of life....and why I drive a BW....lol.

 

[Roadhawk]

That being said I would love to get a set of winter tires but they do not seem to be available in the rear size. Perhaps if I get new wheels and go with 275/35/19 all around will work?

Steve D

This is a problem - scarcity of performance snows for these cars. It kind of sucks. Hopefully you can find some. Normally one goes narrower for snow tires...but not 100% necessary I don't think, Good luck!

 

[mfcentex]

I'm surprised at how long it takes to get the OEM tires to the "Normal" temp on the dash. The ambient temp is 90 today it took 8-10 miles to go from "Cool" to "Normal".

 

[Chuck99]

I'm surprised at how long it takes to get the OEM tires to the "Normal" temp on the dash. The ambient temp is 90 today it took 8-10 miles to go from "Cool" to "Normal".

I didn't anything about this in the online manual. Where & how do you get this to display?

 

[DCV]

It’s a selectable tile on the left side of the dash. You can show 4, many more are selectable though. I have tire temp, boost, oil temp and oil pressure.