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[leres]

Let's see. 33 laps per tank. Virginia International Raceway is listed as 3.270 miles and the tank is 17 gallons so we're talking abuot 6.3 MPG. Nice!

 

[565565]

I think it gives us some perspective of how much R compound there is in our PS4S TPC spec tires (quite a lot)

 

[savethemanual]

I think it gives us some perspective of how much R compound there is in our PS4S TPC spec tires (quite a lot)

That was car and driver's explanation as well-

We weren’t exactly sure where it would land, since GM hasn’t published an official time that it ran. And, yes, a tire change like that could lead to a bigger delta. But one thing to remember is that Cadillac said the Blackwing-specific PS4Ss have substantially more dry grip than the off-the-shelf version. Meanwhile, the Precision pack’s 2Rs are not Blackwing-specific and GM typically tunes its 2Rs (such as on Corvette) more aggressively than stock, too.

Either way, the Caddy team really wanted to beat the Panamera Turbo S’s 2:47.8, which it missed by a mere tenth

 

[white98ls]

Let's see. 33 laps per tank. Virginia International Raceway is listed as 3.270 miles and the tank is 17 gallons so we're talking abuot 6.3 MPG. Nice!

That's not quite what they said. They said eight laps at 4.1 miles, or about 33 miles per tank. So ~2mpg!!! And about 23 minutes.

 

[ngoni]

So the precision package with the cup 2R just got the blackwing 1.5 seconds? The time is fine but kinda disappointing, I was hoping for a > 5 second jump.

The RS3 for example had a nearly 10 second difference between a R compound tire and regular summer tires.

I think it just speaks to how much engineering effort was put into the OG Blackwings on PS4S. Even after $18k of track-focused upgrades, the improvement is relatively minor. The engineers who worked on developing these cars really pulled off a magic trick getting Corvette-level performance out of a comfy luxury sedan and at a relative bargain to boot.

 

[rubberduck]

So the precision package with the cup 2R just got the blackwing 1.5 seconds? The time is fine but kinda disappointing, I was hoping for a > 5 second jump.

The RS3 for example had a nearly 10 second difference between a R compound tire and regular summer tires.

Looks to me like GM is just milking this car in the final years. I see the 5BW with MSRP of $150K and can’t believe anyone would think this car is worth that. My MY22 is very well outfitted for $100K. To me that’s about the most these cars are worth paying.

 

[CB34]

Looks to me like GM is just milking this car in the final years. I see the 5BW with MSRP of $150K and can’t believe anyone would think this car is worth that. My MY22 is very well outfitted for $100K. To me that’s about the most these cars are worth paying.

The MSRP of these cars started at $80k in 2022. It's up to near $100k in 2025 before any add ons.. Absolute insanity.

 

[5VBW Nick]

...wait until those tariffs kick in.

 

[DCV]

I’m curious on that, as most cars use parts from all North America or Europe too. So even if final assembly is Michigan, will the tariffs still apply? Will it be on assembled vehicles or be on the parts too? In some cases parts moves across borders multiple times before final assembly, will they be applied each time? 911s are sure gonna cost lots more. A loaded T is 145k now, add on 25 percent to that. A base 911 will be well over 200k and a GT3, that’s going to be 320k, even before the ADM. A RS will be 500k before ADM. Will it be applied on import delivery day or when it’s ordered? Prices of used pre tariff 911s will be going up too. But I’ve had 4 of them, my itch has been scratched.

 

[5VBW Nick]

I am not sure even the administration knows all of those answers, but we import steel, and car parts and lots of stuff that will have extra fees added on. Gonna be only Toyotas for everyone since they are made mostly in the USA, I believe.

 

[Finally-a-V]

Looks to me like GM is just milking this car in the final years. I see the 5BW with MSRP of $150K and can’t believe anyone would think this car is worth that. My MY22 is very well outfitted for $100K. To me that’s about the most these cars are worth paying.

For how much I love mine, I agree. I see MSRP's of $130+ and I just say no. That's why I wanted to get mine in 2022. The way the prices have gone up, to me, it's a tough sell at ~$140K+

 

[DCV]

I am not sure even the administration knows all of those answers, but we import steel, and car parts and lots of stuff that will have extra fees added on. Gonna be only Toyotas for everyone since they are made mostly in the USA, I believe.

True, But what about the raw materials? So yes, Toyota has engine and tranny plants and final assembly plants in the US, but where do they source the raw materials to cast an engine block? A tranny housing? gears? I mean even the carpet is probably made someplace else like the far east or Pakistan. I don't think any domestic car is made from 100 percent USA parts and raw materials. Example, an EV with magnets.....you need cobalt, nickel, magnesium and other rare earth minerals. We don't have mines for some of them, because we simply don't have the minerals in the ground.

 

[Finally-a-V]

Not to add fuel to the fire, but when 25% tariffs were floated, they were talking about $5000 added to the cost of a car. That was postponed, and now it's on the steel. Best guesses now is about $1000 addition cost for you. Only time will tell.

 

[5VBW Nick]

No, tariffs are going to be on just about everything from every country soon (the plan anyway), including raw materials for cars. Glad I got mine when I did, but my next work truck is gonna be expensive as hell.

 

[T.O.Blackwing]

True, But what about the raw materials? So yes, Toyota has engine and tranny plants and final assembly plants in the US, but where do they source the raw materials to cast an engine block? A tranny housing? gears? I mean even the carpet is probably made someplace else like the far east or Pakistan. I don't think any domestic car is made from 100 percent USA parts and raw materials. Example, an EV with magnets.....you need cobalt, nickel, magnesium and other rare earth minerals. We don't have mines for some of them, because we simply don't have the minerals in the ground.

... here's more: a tariff war means other countries will put tariffs on American products, which means they will be less competitive in foreign markets and that to the extent those products are components in other countries more highly processed products that come back, they are more expensive, all which also means job losses that are as high or higher than job gains from tariffs, which will also result in reduced efficiency generally, all of which (and I have not even listed all of it) will drive up inflation and suppress standards of living.
It's not economics, its retardonomics.
Not good for America, not good for anyone.
Free trade agreements are negotiated between nations for good reasons.
There are unfair practices that need to be addressed, and targeted tariffs can make sense to, for example, protect nascent industries before they become efficient.
But the madness - the retardonomics - coming out of the White House makes no sense for anyone.

 

[rubberduck]

The keyboard economists strike again. Everyone’s opinion has some value, but here the value is sinking faster than a Venezuelan bolívar.

 

[5VBW Nick]

Or more like Argentina's economy? Which we are currently working on duplicating? #chainsaw

 

[T.O.Blackwing]

Or more like Argentina's economy? Which we are currently working on duplicating? #chainsaw

Apt analogy, even down to the jingoistic populism.
I’ll say nothing more, though, as rubberduck makes a good point: the value of our opinions will only go down if we continue off topic on the tariffs and shit and it’s not why we’re members of this forum.

 

[LF4472]

Lightning Lap Commentary...

 

[5VBW Nick]

That Ford truck was insane