Has anyone driven 992 Manual?

[quikag]

thanks for remainder. totally varied RPM in the mountain drive and german autobahn. very tempted to go > 4k rpm actually : )

Okay, glad to hear that! How many miles or km do you have now? For what it’s worth, I only made it 500 miles before launch control. . I also did some fully warmed engine highway pulls to redline through a gear or two in the 200-400 mile range.

I didn’t buy this ‘23 GTS to baby it too much for the next owner. But, I’ll never mechanically abuse a car or run it hard with a cold engine. Also, I stay on top of maintenance and have never had a major mechanical issue in my 30 years of driving.

 

[undefined]

Okay, glad to hear that! How many miles or km do you have now? For what it’s worth, I only made it 500 miles before launch control. . I also did some fully warmed engine highway pulls to redline through a gear or two in the 200-400 mile range.

I didn’t buy this ‘23 GTS to baby it too much for the next owner. But, I’ll never mechanically abuse a car or run it hard with a cold engine. Also, I stay on top of maintenance and have never had a major mechanical issue in my 30 years of driving.

about 1100 miles; i was on nurburgring 10 days ago, occasionally on 5k rpm for sure. definitely the slowest 911 on the track for that day

 

[quikag]

about 1100 miles; i was on nurburgring 10 days ago, occasionally on 5k rpm for sure. definitely the slowest 911 on the track for that day

It’s your car, so do what makes you feel comfortable. But, your engine is ready to rock and roll. Always warm to normal operating temp and have fun! These things aren’t fragile.

 

[Exia]

Hi guys,

Just took EU delivery for my 992 GTS a week ago. The car is amazing. but i found the clutch feel or the biting point is weird compared to CT5 Blackwing.
I don’t even know how to describe it: when i upshift in normal settings, i have to really feather the clutch and give more than 2000 rpm to avoid the jerk feeling/frustration from clutch.
But when i drive the same way as my previous cars( miata, GTI..) it is so different. I already have 1100 miles on the cars; ideally i should have get used to it already.

Will probably cross post in rennlist,

Asking anyone has similar experiences?
Or Blackwing 6 speed is just way better than 7 speed from Porsche… could be

Bit of an old thread but I wanted to chime back in.

I test drove a '22 992 4 GTS manual the other day and just as you described I had the same thing. You have to feather the clutch on upshifts or apply a little bit of throttle to make a smooth upshift. If you don't the car will jerk if you drive it like the Blackwing.

This was actually my biggest annoyance with the car and my 991.2 did the same thing. My Blackwing and C7 Z06 you can just dump the clutch every upshift and the car doesn't bat an eye but shifting quickly in the 911 requires holding the clutch at the bite point for a half a second to ensure it doesn't jerk when you want to drive fast or shifting while keeling the throttle down 10% or so to add some revs to smooth it out.

Other manual cars do this as well but we are spoiled by the American manuals. I'm not used to having feather the clutch on upshifts and because of that I wasn't willing to buy the car ( I loved everything else about it though).

Unfortunately I have no way to try and get used to it either because the Z06 and Blackwing don't exhibit this behavior even with rev match off so I can't even spend some time getting used to it on my own and I'm not willing to spend over $200k Canadian on a car I would have to learn on for a bit.

 

[Grainofsand]

My left knee is aching just reading about the Porsche clutch.

 

[DCV]

I had a manual 991.2 C4S and the clutch feel and the Tremec in the 4 BW is way better than the 911. At this point in the way Porsche has upped 911 prices so much, the BW is just as fun and quick for lots less cash. 992 has issues with the Li batteries too and the BMS leaving people stranded. Glass cracking on its own too and random faults hitting as well.

 

[BimmerFan]

I had a 991.1 manual, and disliked it immensely. No issues with the clutch though. I had a 964, 996, 997 and the 991, all properly equipped with three pedals. I sold the 991 to buy a 981, which with the old 6-speed, is a much better driving car. And dare I say, really a better car overall.

I wish I still had the 964.

 

[GT325]

The 7-speed boxes in the 991.1 and later Carreras is pretty sloppy I have owned a few and disliked the 7-speed manual. The 6-speeds in the Porsche GT products is much MUCH better. I daily my 5BW6MT and it has a great manual. When I jump directly to the Porsche 6 speed from the BW the Porsche gearbox is noticeably better in nearly every way, at least for my tastes. Much more mechanical shorter throw and less slop even with the stock Porsche shifter. I have used a numeric upgraded shifter in a prior Porsche and it was even better.

 

[NJ4BW]

I owned a 991.2 manual C4S. It had this same issue, which is essentially rev hang. The Blackwings manual and most American V8 manuals have zero rev hang, you could shift like your on a race track and never get any bucking or rev hang from these cars.

Driving my 911 spiritedly resulted in the bucking/rev hang when shifting quickly. I guess the 992 didn't fix this. There isn't any fix, you either shift slower to prevent the lurch or you just deal with it.

I made a similar post on Rennlist after I got the car and people said that yes, its normal but its not a big deal and you just ignore it when shifting fast. It also seemed to be more of an issue in sport plus because the turbo would stay spooled and not drop the revs. Driving in normal mode was a little bit better, at least on my 991.2

I had the same 911 prior to my 4bw m6.

I think the steering feel, brake feel, shifter and clutch are all better on the caddy.

Curious for your take

 

[Exia]

I had the same 911 prior to my 4bw m6.

I think the steering feel, brake feel, shifter and clutch are all better on the caddy.

Curious for your take

Clutch and shifter are both great in both cars, both have great feel. Hard to say which is better, they both are the best manuals I've ever driven in terms of feel. I liked the 911 brake feel a bit more as well as the steering.

 

[undefined]

digging out an old thread, updates: just sold this GTS; still don’t like this seven speed.. when i feel like driving manual, i either pick up my CT5BW or GR86…

 

[quikag]

digging out an old thread, updates: just sold this GTS; still don’t like this seven speed.. when i feel like driving manual, i either pick up my CT5BW or GR86…

I sold my ‘23 GTS too. Car was great, but I never fell for it like my old 991.2 GT3. Want a 992 GT3 but tired of the 50 over list games even for used so I’m fine with sitting on the sideline for a while driving my two Vettes and 5BW. I’ll survive.

 

[beamon]

I’d say 991.2 gt3 > 992 gt3 with smaller looking body, better front fascia, body color integrated rear spoiler, and analog gauges. I’m very happy with 5BW 6 speed transmission and find it to be very smooth with relatively short throws. I like it as much as gt3 shifter. Clutch pedal feels lighter in 5BW.

 

[undefined]

I’d say 991.2 gt3 > 992 gt3 with smaller looking body, better front fascia, body color integrated rear spoiler, and analog gauges. I’m very happy with 5BW 6 speed transmission and find it to be very smooth with relatively short throws. I like it as much as gt3 shifter. Clutch pedal feels lighter in 5BW.

what kind of vette do you have?
i ordered a 4RS because the GT3 ADM is still ~70K in my area

 

[stephen k]

I just read through this whole thread and glad to see some Porsche owners on here. That rev hang your talking about and the awkward engagement is certainly real. I had a 991.2 S manual that had this same problem and I am a decent manual driver but I could never get it smooth. It always felt like the car was adding throttle. Anyways sold that and got a 991.2 gt3 manual which did not have this issue but realized that I don’t really like the 991’s platform. Doesn’t feel like a 911 to me

So I have a 997 S that I’ve picked up in the interim that doesn't have any of these rev hang issues but unexpectedly got a offer that I couldn’t refuse and the car just sold… so I am contemplating what to do next. I love my 5bw 6 speed and find myself driving it all the time so I’m really in no rush to find another manual 911..

One of my best friends picked up a new 992 911 carrera T and it drove great.
I felt like that car didn’t have the rev hang issues I had in my 991… but you are saying that your 992 gts had the issue..

Maybe with the smaller turbos the cars have less rev hang ?

 

[DCV]

I’d probably get a 997.2 GT3, if I was 911 hunting.

 

[albertw]

I read C&D and a couple others and I'm surprised to hear that some 911s have a problem with rev hang. It's not something that is mentioned in road tests, possibly because the writers don't want to discourage the purchase of manuals. Or, maybe if it's not your car it is not bothersome. For people like me who find it really annoying, it is a major issue. I got rid of one car ('99 323i) several years before I planned solely because of this issue. That car needed clutch help with rev matching both up and down and I would get the clutch overheated and stinking in an hour on my favorite twisties.

I was worried that the 4BW MT might have this problem since I couldn't find one to test drive, but some comments on this forum reassured me and I'm very happy that they were correct.

 

[Ergoc5]

I’d probably get a 997.2 GT3, if I was 911 hunting.

I feel the 997 is the sweet spot for 911s, just the right size and analog with enough modern tech, especially the 997.2

 

[quikag]

what kind of vette do you have?
i ordered a 4RS because the GT3 ADM is still ~70K in my area

Love the 4RS, but a buddy(who is a track rat) drove a 992 GT3 and 4RS and preferred the suspension and chassis of the 992. That said, the 4RS is a go kart missile.

I have a ‘24 Z51 C8 and a C6 ZR1. Both great fun! Planning on making a strong run for a C8 ZR1.