Tapout CT4-V Blackwing Carbon Fiber Intake Test Results

showmeyourboost · Dec 26, 2022

Yes. If they notice aftermarket parts they could flag your file and use it against you later on.

Gweg_Jenningz · Dec 26, 2022

showmeyourboost said:
Yes. If they notice aftermarket parts they could flag your file and use it against you later on.

Thank you! I very much appreciate the advice. Hope everyone here has had a great holiday season!

OldGoat · Dec 26, 2022

showmeyourboost said:
Yes. If they notice aftermarket parts they could flag your file and use it against you later on.

There should be no grounds to void warranty service when related to cat back exhaust and or CAI. Once any tampering with Engine programming leaves any footprint your done, as well as emissions related components such as relocation of cats or blower pulley swap.
Dealer would need to prove how any simple non emissions bolt-on were direct cause of failure related to your warranty concern.

Matt27 · Dec 26, 2022

OldGoat said:
There should be no grounds to void warranty service when related to cat back exhaust and or CAI. Once any tampering with Engine programming leaves any footprint your done, as well as emissions related components such as relocation of cats or blower pulley swap.
Dealer would need to prove how any simple non emissions bolt-on were direct cause of failure related to your warranty concern.

I would think it's pretty easy to blame miscellaneous debris from an aftermarket intake, particularly if we're all here amazed at how an intake is capable of cranking boost. Can't say I've seen it actually argued either way, though.

Exhaust certainly a more difficult fight for the manufacturer/dealer.

OldGoat · Dec 26, 2022

Matt27 said:
I would think it's pretty easy to blame miscellaneous debris from an aftermarket intake, particularly if we're all here amazed at how an intake is capable of cranking boost. Can't say I've seen it actually argued either way, though.

Exhaust certainly a more difficult fight for the manufacturer/dealer.

Oiled cotton filter possible, ductwork and airbox, highly unlikely

WONT TAP · Dec 26, 2022

I'm curious how many dealerships would realize the intake isn't stock. In my opinion, this absolutely looks like it should have been installed under the hood from the factory.

dstewart51 · Dec 26, 2022

WONT TAP said:
I'm curious how many dealerships would realize the intake isn't stock. In my opinion, this absolutely looks like it should have been installed under the hood from the factory.

Or a factory option, like CF1 and CF2.

Joszer · Dec 26, 2022

Unpopular question here, but how much cheaper would this part be if it was molded plastic like the OEM unit?

cnofar · Dec 28, 2022

So a question for Tapout: I'm seriously contemplating purchasing this intake. I'm mildly handy, have basic tools at home, but by no means a mechanic. Do you have any install videos or list of tools required for someone like me to install this at home? Appreciate the advice.

Christopher

Dubbed.theB · Dec 28, 2022

It depends... If the "intake" is just the lid portion that you would remove and replace as if you were just changing out the air filter, that is just 10 screws.
If it requires replacing the entire intake box, then it would be more difficult and time consuming. @WONT TAP can clarify though.

dstewart51 · Dec 28, 2022

Its just the upper cover, only need some small hand tools.

RDATLTE · Dec 28, 2022

cnofar said:
So a question for Tapout: I'm seriously contemplating purchasing this intake. I'm mildly handy, have basic tools at home, but by no means a mechanic. Do you have any install videos or list of tools required for someone like me to install this at home? Appreciate the advice.

Christopher

Posted up thread, installed / uninstalled in less than an hour with basic hand tools.

Tapout CT4-V Blackwing Carbon Fiber Intake Test Results

I trust you guys 100%, every claim you've made you've backed up with a dyno, a video, or drag slip. Ill more than likely bring my car down to you guys to tune, when i get one :) Im just trying to wrap my head around how its even possible. You only have MAF and IAT to play with. If you spoof...

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ClassaxV · Dec 30, 2022

I pulled the trigger, I will let you guys know how it went in February.

NavM · Dec 31, 2022

ClassaxV said:
I pulled the trigger, I will let you guys know how it went in February.

Looking forward to seeing the results.

ClassaxV · Jan 17, 2023

@WONT TAP

I'm both excited and some what ambivalent about this intake. As a daily driver I spend a good deal of time operating the car in a window between 900 to 2500RPM. What's crazy is this car is brilliantly responsive in this range it has plenty of power even without making boost. This makes it really manageable and fun in traffic or around town.

Looking at the graph the stock set up is making 50 whp more from below 2.5k rpm. Am I seeing that right? Or is that just a quirk of the test methodology?

One of the key benefits of the 4BW is how strong it performs down low, even without any boost.

It really gets out of its own way at normal traffic conditions and then just keeps pulling when lay into it. Not sure I'd want loose 50whp and torque on the bottom.

Seems maybe thus mod is more for folks who are usually needing peak power.

Thoughts?

PrimeTime · Jan 17, 2023

My boy drop the gauntlet at Houston for bolt on Mopars with 8.51. Caddy Bolt ons are gonna answer at the end of the month in ORL....I'm sure!

Stay tuned Duke!

WONT TAP · Jan 17, 2023

ClassaxV said:
@WONT TAP

Looking at the graph the stock set up is making 50 whp more from below 2.5k rpm. Am I seeing that right? Or is that just a quirk of the test methodology?

One of the key benefits of the 4BW is how strong it performs down low, even without any boost.

It really gets out of its own way at normal traffic conditions and then just keeps pulling when lay into it. Not sure I'd want loose 50whp and torque on the bottom.

Yes, it's true that you would give up a little low end power at WOT. But that's pretty much irrelevant...

When you're not under boost, the car will still feel the same way it did before. When you are under boost, you would nearly always want to be in a lower gear, rather than full throttle at 2,000 rpm. Even in first gear, at WOT, you will pass 2,000 rpm in a few milliseconds.

strohw · Jan 18, 2023

ClassaxV said:
@WONT TAP

I'm both excited and some what ambivalent about this intake. As a daily driver I spend a good deal of time operating the car in a window between 900 to 2500RPM. What's crazy is this car is brilliantly responsive in this range it has plenty of power even without making boost. This makes it really manageable and fun in traffic or around town.

Looking at the graph the stock set up is making 50 whp more from below 2.5k rpm. Am I seeing that right? Or is that just a quirk of the test methodology?

I think you're looking at the wrong line. The blue line is the one you should be looking at, reference post #6. If you're seeing 50whp down compared to stock then you're looking at the green line.

ClassaxV · Jan 18, 2023

strohw said:
I think you're looking at the wrong line. The blue line is the one you should be looking at, reference post #6. If you're seeing 50whp down compared to stock then you're looking at the green line.

No, if you look the Red line is 50whp more from 2500 to 3000 than both blue and green. Prime in traffic blip country.

strohw · Jan 18, 2023

ClassaxV said:
No, if you look the Red line is 50whp more from 2500 to 3000 than both blue and green. Prime in traffic blip country.

I think you're looking at the torque line. The bottom line showing HP is showing matched output from 2.9-3.0k RPM and only 20HP down at 2.6k RPM. I wouldn't look at 2.4k to 2.5K RPM as that's the start point for the run. Obviously it doesn't do 0HP at 2.4k RPM like the graph is showing. He'll have to confirm how accurate the 2.5k to 2.8k range is as well.