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dstewart51

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23' CT4V-BW
I have had 63k wonderful miles in my 23' 4BW, but lately I have been very tempted at another and looking at a 25' C8 3LT Z51 with MagnaRide and front lift. Been doing the research regarding long term reliability, ownership and maintenance cost, as well as overall comfort and other issues. It would be like my 4BW as my daily driver, 127 miles/day 365 days a year. I am aware of the transmission service requirements, nothing I cant handle myself.

95% of the time, its just me in the car, I have never used the back seats in the 4BW other than some grocery's. I use the SeaSucker mount for my mountain bike, which will be the same if I picked up a C8. I sat in a 24' 3LT with the GT2 seats over the weekend, the GT2 seats fit me perfectly, more comfortable that the 4BW by a good margin. I was really impressed how well I fit in it.

So I'm just talking, looking for experienced opinions from those who have driven both, what am I missing or should consider?
 
Firstly, congratulations on putting so many miles on your 4BW. You obviously use it like it's meant to be. Kudos!

I have a '23 5BW (delivered 1/2023) & '23 C8 Stingray HTC 2LT (delivered 9/2022). The C8 has MagnaRide, performance exhaust & GT2 seats. I couldn't get the Z51 package bc it was on constraint at the time I was able to place my order.

While not exactly the same as what you're looking at (bc 4BW vs 5BW), all I can say is, the 2 cars are completely different beasts. To give you an idea on how much time I've spent in each since new, I currently have 38k miles on the 5BW & 41k miles on the C8. I've also had both on the track for multiple track days in each.

Noise: The 5BW is SO much quieter inside than the C8. Now that I've got A/S tires on the 5BW, it's gotten even quieter. This might not seem like a big deal, but on long trips & on a day-to-day basis, being able to hear the radio/Podcast or talking on the (handsfree) phone, this makes a big difference.

Build Quality: The Corvette has classically been criticized for poor build quality & low quality pieces. In the C8, GM really stepped up their game. I have no complaints at all about the touch surfaces of either the 5BW or the C8 & they are pretty comparable.

Tech: I have the exact same setup in both cars as they both have the OEM PDR & rearview mirror camera. Since the dash is customizable for Z & My Modes, I have the dash setup to look exactly the same in both cars.

Ride: While both cars have (with OEM alignment) pretty noticeable understeer, the C8 understeer is more easily managed. Curb weight also makes a difference in the character of the vehicles. My 5BW is ~500lbs more than the C8 & your 4BW is ~200lbs more than the C8. With how much lower you sit in the C8, that weight difference is very noticeable. Even though I have the HTC, the chassis flex when changing directions is so much less than what I feel in the 5BW. I suspect there is more chassis flex in the 4BW over the C8 as well. Even though both have MagnaRide, the ride in the C8 is definitely more harsh even on the softest setting. I suspect the lighter chassis & the OEM tuning contributes to this greatly. Where I live in NC, the roads are pretty nice compared to where I came from in the NY/Tri-state area. If you have to deal with potholes or many areas of uneven pavement, you will notice this much more in the C8.

The placement of the engine makes a HUGE difference in the character of the 2 vehicles. Push either really hard into a corner or on a sweeping highway on/off ramp & you can feel it. The C8 will want to rotate around your seat & the 5BW wants to have the back end swing out like a pendulum. The mid-engine also contributes greatly to the cabin noise of the C8.

Maintenance: Like you, I do almost all my own work on the vehicles I own. The maintenance schedule & work on the C8 is more demanding than on the 5BW. There's an easy hack to adding the extra 2L of tranny fluid into the C8 if taking it to the track. (Some advocate doing that even if not taking it to the track as added protection to the tranny.) Changing out the tranny fluid filter is relatively easy but there are about 100 bolts (slight exaggeration) to remove to get the underbody floor/tray off to get to the filter. As I understand it, changing out the tranny fluid takes specialized tools. Moreover, unless you painstakingly document everything you do & have a failure, GM still might void the warranty.

I LOVE having an MT on my 5BW. I so wish GM offered the C8 with an MT but they've decide that's not going to happen. This one thing alone makes the vehicles so entirely different.

If you end up getting the C8, I HIGHLY recommend getting the HTC over the coupe for one reason: You don't lose any trunk space when you put down the top like you do when removing the targa top. The targa top goes into the trunk if you take it off & you lose all storage space back there. Of course, there's still the frunk, but that's pretty small. It's only big enough to hold a standard sized carry on luggage.

For me, one vehicle is not a replacement for the other because they are so different. I think a good way of going about this is to list your priorities for what you want in a vehicle & what you plan to do with it. Make a Pros/Cons list for the 4BW & the C8 & then weigh your options.

If you can swing it, keep the 4BW & add the C8 to your stable. Good luck!
 
I've had a '21 Stingray and was very pleased with it. My wife decided that a Hysteria Purple C8 was the way to go, so we now have an '25 Eray in the garage. It's not past the 500-mile mark yet, so I can't really say how much performance difference is, feels like a lot! Maybe next week.
We don't have a BW and probably never will. However, we do have an '11 VWagon in the garage. I love that car and I don't think I'll ever sell it - too much fun.
My wife and I used to do "open road runs' in both the VWagon and our Vettes but we're retired from that now.
I put 28K on the '21 C8 and never had a problem. I have just under 60K on the VWagon - it's been bulletproof!
Our daily driver is a '22 XT4. Our back up hotrod is a '13 427 Convertible. We have a hard time deciding which one to drive.
 
A very good friend of mine has a blue C8, I've driven it many times.
I only have 1 caveat for you: as long as you don't spend too much time looking at it from behind, (either in your car behind another C8, or while washing yours) you'll be fine. The rear end of the C8 is one of, if not THE ugliest rear of any modern car. THAT was reason #1 for me not having a Corvette anymore after having had multiples of earlier generations, #2 was the death of the manual trans. Good luck and I hope you'll like yours.
 
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Why in the world would you drive that many miles every single day?!!
 
Firstly, congratulations on putting so many miles on your 4BW. You obviously use it like it's meant to be. Kudos!

I have a '23 5BW (delivered 1/2023) & '23 C8 Stingray HTC 2LT (delivered 9/2022). The C8 has MagnaRide, performance exhaust & GT2 seats. I couldn't get the Z51 package bc it was on constraint at the time I was able to place my order.

While not exactly the same as what you're looking at (bc 4BW vs 5BW), all I can say is, the 2 cars are completely different beasts. To give you an idea on how much time I've spent in each since new, I currently have 38k miles on the 5BW & 41k miles on the C8. I've also had both on the track for multiple track days in each.

Noise: The 5BW is SO much quieter inside than the C8. Now that I've got A/S tires on the 5BW, it's gotten even quieter. This might not seem like a big deal, but on long trips & on a day-to-day basis, being able to hear the radio/Podcast or talking on the (handsfree) phone, this makes a big difference.

Build Quality: The Corvette has classically been criticized for poor build quality & low quality pieces. In the C8, GM really stepped up their game. I have no complaints at all about the touch surfaces of either the 5BW or the C8 & they are pretty comparable.

Tech: I have the exact same setup in both cars as they both have the OEM PDR & rearview mirror camera. Since the dash is customizable for Z & My Modes, I have the dash setup to look exactly the same in both cars.

Ride: While both cars have (with OEM alignment) pretty noticeable understeer, the C8 understeer is more easily managed. Curb weight also makes a difference in the character of the vehicles. My 5BW is ~500lbs more than the C8 & your 4BW is ~200lbs more than the C8. With how much lower you sit in the C8, that weight difference is very noticeable. Even though I have the HTC, the chassis flex when changing directions is so much less than what I feel in the 5BW. I suspect there is more chassis flex in the 4BW over the C8 as well. Even though both have MagnaRide, the ride in the C8 is definitely more harsh even on the softest setting. I suspect the lighter chassis & the OEM tuning contributes to this greatly. Where I live in NC, the roads are pretty nice compared to where I came from in the NY/Tri-state area. If you have to deal with potholes or many areas of uneven pavement, you will notice this much more in the C8.

The placement of the engine makes a HUGE difference in the character of the 2 vehicles. Push either really hard into a corner or on a sweeping highway on/off ramp & you can feel it. The C8 will want to rotate around your seat & the 5BW wants to have the back end swing out like a pendulum. The mid-engine also contributes greatly to the cabin noise of the C8.

Maintenance: Like you, I do almost all my own work on the vehicles I own. The maintenance schedule & work on the C8 is more demanding than on the 5BW. There's an easy hack to adding the extra 2L of tranny fluid into the C8 if taking it to the track. (Some advocate doing that even if not taking it to the track as added protection to the tranny.) Changing out the tranny fluid filter is relatively easy but there are about 100 bolts (slight exaggeration) to remove to get the underbody floor/tray off to get to the filter. As I understand it, changing out the tranny fluid takes specialized tools. Moreover, unless you painstakingly document everything you do & have a failure, GM still might void the warranty.

I LOVE having an MT on my 5BW. I so wish GM offered the C8 with an MT but they've decide that's not going to happen. This one thing alone makes the vehicles so entirely different.

If you end up getting the C8, I HIGHLY recommend getting the HTC over the coupe for one reason: You don't lose any trunk space when you put down the top like you do when removing the targa top. The targa top goes into the trunk if you take it off & you lose all storage space back there. Of course, there's still the frunk, but that's pretty small. It's only big enough to hold a standard sized carry on luggage.

For me, one vehicle is not a replacement for the other because they are so different. I think a good way of going about this is to list your priorities for what you want in a vehicle & what you plan to do with it. Make a Pros/Cons list for the 4BW & the C8 & then weigh your options.

If you can swing it, keep the 4BW & add the C8 to your stable. Good luck!
man...Nice write up! Nice cars too!
 
A very good friend of mine has a blue C8, I've driven it many times.
I only have 1 caveat for you: as long as you don't spend too much time looking at it from behind, (either in your car behind another C8, or while washing yours) you'll be fine. The rear end of the C8 is one of, if not THE ugliest rear of any modern car. THAT was reason #1 for me not having a Corvette anymore after having had multiples of earlier generations, #2 was the death of the manual trans. Good luck and I hope you'll like yours.

The auto is a must for me, I could not drive the LA freeways and commute with a manual. Perhaps, but I kind of like the back end, baby got back! Here is the GM config tool rendering for the build I would order;

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Get the HTC
 
I can't add anything to the C8 experience, but familiar with your commute based on what you shared during your rodeo era (same timing as mine). In a world without manuals, I would totally consider a C8. Few have been in the back of my BW and there would likely be a Z06 in my garage instead of the BW (again in a horrifying world w/o manuals :cool:).
 
again in a horrifying world w/o manuals
LOL!

That thought alone was the reason I did not sell my GT350 until the 5BW was sitting in my garage.
 
Definitely do it before you get a family etc. It is a very cramped cockpit so that it is up to you if you could stand it as your only DD. The frunk and trunk have very nice storage areas. I know the trunk got extremely hot in the Z06s so I never put groceries or anything like that back there. Not sure how bad it is with regular Stingrays. The coupe doors are quite large and the sills are pretty wide, plus it being so low slung, it makes it hard sometimes to exit if you can’t find a nice end/open spot in a parking lot.

Other than the hideous color you chose 😉…..I say go for it, have fun with that lifestyle while you can! Not sure if you’ve gotten this far yet, but you might be very disappointed with your 4V BW trade in value, especially with that many miles. But, you should be able to offset it with getting a good deal on the SR.
 
Kids are grown and out of the house. I had a yellow C3 in my teens, kind of want another yellow vette. I just cant justify the cost of the 5BW and I kind of feel like its too similar to what I have now, I like to change things up a bit each car/truck. But a 5BW if the right deal came along would be my other option.
 
I think as a sporty grand tourer and mile muncher the c8 is an excellent option. Most of my complaints were due to it not being raw enough compared to my CT4 blackwing, the blackwing felt more like a sports car than the C8 for me.

I would also consider a LC500 for your requirements.
 
I'm not a top down guy, never have been. I would rather have the window to see the engine, that's one of the things I love about the car.
Im pretty sure you can replace the rear cover for a clear one to see the engine.

But holy crap, you drive from Antelope Valley to Burbank area? I cant believe how much Santa Clarita has blown up last time I visited the area. I spent a few years in Lancaster growing up so somewhat still familiar with that part of LA County.
 
I think as a sporty grand tourer and mile muncher the c8 is an excellent option. Most of my complaints were due to it not being raw enough compared to my CT4 blackwing, the blackwing felt more like a sports car than the C8 for me.

I would also consider a LC500 for your requirements.

Ive considered an LC511 but I cant do a Lexus, an LFA would be the only Lexus I would own. Speaking about the LFA, that's the only car that bested me when I was really giving it my all on some local backroads, I had to slow down to let the car pass to see what the hell was kicking my ass. Being bested by a million dollar carbon tub hypercar, I think that's acceptable.
 
Im pretty sure you can replace the rear cover for a clear one to see the engine.

But holy crap, you drive from Antelope Valley to Burbank area? I cant believe how much Santa Clarita has blown up last time I visited the area. I spent a few years in Lancaster growing up so somewhat still familiar with that part of LA County.

Worse, Lake Hughes to the Miracle Mile area on Wilshire, across the street from the LaBrea Tar Pits. Have been doing that since 2007.
 

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